Lore improvement? Option to make peace with Goids

norlin

norlin
Hey, I know it's kinda agains the community opinion, but can we at least consider this:
  • Add a CG/Lore events for those who believe we can make a peace with Goids
  • Stop talking about Goids as agressors
Can we?

Just think about this: in both galaxy wars (Goids vs. Protoss Guardians, Goids vs. Terrans) Goids are the defenders.
1. With guardians, the war started after they broke into the Goids region
It was instigated by the Thargoids, who had seeded a region of space with Thargoid Barnacles and returned thousands of years later to find the Guardians had unknowingly expanded into it
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If someone broke into your house - are you an "instigator" when trying to defend your territory?
The wiki also says Thargoids have "rejected all diplomatic overtures", but who told this? Guardians? Also, are you obligated to talk with invaders?
Who knows why Goids need the Barnacles, maybe it's their birth places, we don't know how important they are.

2. With Humans, it's literally the same - Humans have broken into their territory. Then attempted to xenocide the whole race of intelligent species. Then invented a way to "terraform" ammonia worlds.

And after all that we're calling Goids the bad guys!

I demand an in-game way to protect/support Thargoids!
 

zikolach

zikolach
I was standing away from fighting Thargoids... until they attacked me. So I fought back ;)

On serious side, it would be interesting to have an opportunity to friend one. Maybe even get thargoid crew or fighter.
 

Cmdr John Lyn

Cmdr John Lyn
I always imagined that the Klaxians were the aggressive and domineering sub group of Thargoids and that the Oresrians were the diplomatic and even-tempered sub group. Who knows what is happening, all the previous lore was all retconned most likely.

Thargoids.png


I drew this in 2018
 

Gordon Freeman IV

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No. Goids are territorial bugs. They need to be totally and utterly eliminated. They attempt to destroy any advanced species that they detect (guardians were also attacked leading to their AI and ultimately their destruction by said AI)
 

Gordon Freeman IV

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norlin said:
Hey, I know it's kinda agains the community opinion, but can we at least consider this:
  • Add a CG/Lore events for those who believe we can make a peace with Goids
  • Stop talking about Goids as agressors
Can we?

Just think about this: in both galaxy wars (Goids vs. Protoss Guardians, Goids vs. Terrans) Goids are the defenders.
1. With guardians, the war started after they broke into the Goids region

If someone broke into your house - are you an "instigator" when trying to defend your territory?
The wiki also says Thargoids have "rejected all diplomatic overtures", but who told this? Guardians? Also, are you obligated to talk with invaders?
Who knows why Goids need the Barnacles, maybe it's their birth places, we don't know how important they are.

2. With Humans, it's literally the same - Humans have broken into their territory. Then attempted to xenocide the whole race of intelligent species. Then invented a way to "terraform" ammonia worlds.

And after all that we're calling Goids the bad guys!

I demand an in-game way to protect/support Thargoids!
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U support goids? Hope you like the rebuy screen. You are a traitor to your own kind. Thargoids must burn in the fires of very warm gauss.
 

Eeka

Eeka
The only problem i see is, does thargoids want to be protected by you?

You talk about them as they were zoo animals, but in fact they could be more intelligent than us.

If you think humans are the baddies, go on and gank them in goid systems.

But i agree with you, the game should have a mechanic where you somehow get accepted by thargoids and develop a relationship with them. Imagine being able to add some thargoid tech to your ship, or to use their barnacles for something. It would be cool.
 

Koben

Koben
The point is that we players don't know exactly how the Thargoids are related to mankind lore-wise.
If you take a look at several in-game company Logos, you may connect them directly to the Thargoids.

Rockforth and Galnet would be even kind of obvious... so, yeah... we don't even know if the Thargoids are the ones controlling mankind.
 

norlin

norlin
jonbergacs said:
No. Goids are territorial bugs. They need to be totally and utterly eliminated. They attempt to destroy any advanced species that they detect (guardians were also attacked leading to their AI and ultimately their destruction by said AI)
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Look, you're saying multiple contradictory statementsЖ
1. goids are territory bugs but we should destroy them. All of them. Destroy immediately! To protect our territory?

2. They attempted to destroy any advanced species... Yeah with only 2 known conflicts - with Guardians (from the Guardians' records), who invaded the Goid's worlds first. And the Humans, known for wars and other dangerous behavior all their history. Great arguments!

3. And, yeah, Guardians have destroyed themselves, not Goids. I'm actually surprised Humans did not accidentally destroyed themselves with Mycoid virus, later blaming Goids for this.
 

norlin

norlin
Eeka said:
The only problem i see is, does thargoids want to be protected by you?
If you think humans are the baddies, go on and gank them in goid systems.
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That's the whole point of OP!

A. We don't have any info/contact with Goids - so no way to know.

B. Ganking humans does not work because of multiple issues with the ED's game design:
  • 1. people can fight goids in solo/private mods, so my contribution in Open will never be enough
  • 2. There is no in-game consequences of ganking AX ships
 

xzanfr

xzanfr
norlin said:
Hey, I know it's kinda agains the community opinion, but can we at least consider this:
  • Add a CG/Lore events for those who believe we can make a peace with Goids
  • Stop talking about Goids as agressors
Can we?

Just think about this: in both galaxy wars (Goids vs. Protoss Guardians, Goids vs. Terrans) Goids are the defenders.
1. With guardians, the war started after they broke into the Goids region

If someone broke into your house - are you an "instigator" when trying to defend your territory?
The wiki also says Thargoids have "rejected all diplomatic overtures", but who told this? Guardians? Also, are you obligated to talk with invaders?
Who knows why Goids need the Barnacles, maybe it's their birth places, we don't know how important they are.

2. With Humans, it's literally the same - Humans have broken into their territory. Then attempted to xenocide the whole race of intelligent species. Then invented a way to "terraform" ammonia worlds.

And after all that we're calling Goids the bad guys!

I demand an in-game way to protect/support Thargoids!
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I'm 100% with you on this.
For thousands of years Thargoids have been peaceful farmers (meta alloys) & artists (drawing pics of ships using probes) who have had their crops stolen and lands destroyed by humans.
We as a species urgently need to talk to them to apologise otherwise we deserve everything we get - we need to share this galaxy and Thargoids were here first.
 
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