Lore questions. :)

drew

drew
AOpsyche said:
Drew, the Frontier Forum thread in question in this post exists again. Perhaps you have a new answer for me this time?

The day I met David Braben.

Wasn't quite sure where to put this, it's not really about the fiction and I thought all fans might enjoy it. Yesterday I ticked a significant item off of my 'bucket list' and, well, here it is. http://www.drewwagar.com/progress-report/the-day-i-met-david-braben/ Cheers, Drew.
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What is the question? Sorry, not sure what thread you're referring to.

Cheers,

Drew.
 

drew

drew
naukogriz said:
Dear sir,

We are glad to see you involved in exploration on IRH server, though we understand that your abilities are narrowed with NDA's and Frontier rules. Though, we're facing a problem, which is unsolvable without your help.

Do you remember Zurara? That monument of human's fanatizm and greediness, as well as human's rage against unstoppable threat out of nowhere. Well, the group I'm working on, looks on that ship mainly as on a ship. It means that it had a destination, and, of course, it had a home spacedock. Of course, you can answer that it should not ever been return home, and will be right. But the capitan thought the other way. The last his order was to plot route home. So we shall consider there was a point, where Zurara started her journey. This point was known as Home both to the Capitan and to the crew. So case 9823 on IRH server is focused on finding that home.

Well, we know a distance between two points. One is Home we look for, the other is ... Oh, we are facing the first problem.

The description from my copy of the book from the official store (1) says it is an M2V star, 17 planets, the 2nd one is Earthlike. We looked through Syreadiae sector and found that system, but star type is M7V. Well, we think there is a typo, as well as in the name of the sector. 17 planets and 2nd one is Earthlike - true, it is Syreadiae BL-Z b6-0. On the other hand, we have another copy of the book, not from official store (2), where system is G class star with 9 planets, second one is terraformable. System name is higly likely Syreadiae JX-F c0 - current Zurara's system. So, we have to ask you, what was the system name from where one should count 9823 ly to home, as related to game? Also it is useful to mention, that Syreadiae sector is 12 kly from the bubble.

Also we should ask you if this content is even in game. Or this 9823 clue is only in the book, not in-game?

And the last 2 questions that would help us to narrow our field of the search is why Formidine Rift settlements are in Eafots sector, while Zurara is in Syreadiae?
If Zurara visited Eafots earlier, did she go on a straight line to Syreadiae, or she did some turns on her journey?

Thank you very much for response! Don't worry, we'll find the Home, if it is in game and accessible. But we need a bit help.

(1) - see official store, photo here just for reference and fair use:
(2) - https://ru.scribd.com/read/360173026/Elite-Dangerous-Premonition - move to page 18
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I suspect this is a typographical error I'm afraid. I'll have a look through some of the earlier drafts and my own summaries to see if I can find out.

Cheers,

Drew.
 

drew

drew
Jonesy42 said:
Why do hyperdictions not drop us out in Witchspace? They used to in older Elite games (atleast thats what I've read)

And are there structures to be found in Witchspace? I've read that some people (not real players) have seen structures in Witchspace and I've been looking out for them ever since.
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I've always understood the 'tunnel' through which we fly during hyperspace is the realm of Witchspace. We're not able to stop in those areas. When you are hyperdicted you drop into 'normal' space at an undisclosed location. This was true of the previous Elite games as well. So far there's no evidence that we can 'stop' inside Witchspace. The original Elite manual alledges that Thargoids are able to do this however.

Cheers,

Drew.
 

drew

drew
Jorki Rasalas said:
Drew
Did the FRift storyline overlap with Guardians? Found this terrain feature https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/the-quest-to-find-raxxla.168253/post-7873217
while thinning my DW2 pix. Thought it is either a visual artefact or just possibly remains of a Guardian feature? Leaning towards the former since nobody else has reported anything
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Not really no. The Club used the mystery of the Guardians to distract explores from their machinations in the other sectors, but the Guardians were not part of the Formidine Rift story.

Cheers,

Drew.
 

Jonesy42

Jonesy42
drew said:
I've always understood the 'tunnel' through which we fly during hyperspace is the realm of Witchspace. We're not able to stop in those areas. When you are hyperdicted you drop into 'normal' space at an undisclosed location. This was true of the previous Elite games as well. So far there's no evidence that we can 'stop' inside Witchspace. The original Elite manual alledges that Thargoids are able to do this however.

Cheers,

Drew.
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Thank you very much.
If there are any structures to be found, who would've built them and where do ships go that miss-calculate a jump and never reach their destination? Do they get lost in "witchspace"?
 

drew

drew
Jonesy42 said:
Thank you very much.
If there are any structures to be found, who would've built them and where do ships go that miss-calculate a jump and never reach their destination? Do they get lost in "witchspace"?
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According to the original lore of witchspace travel (which I haven't seen retconned to my knowledge) the initial routes were 'built' and contained monitoring satellites, branch lines, stop points and rescue stations, constructed by ships that proceeded to the destinations at sublight speeds. Hyperspace tech was discovered as early as 2200, but wasn't fully commercialised until 2800.

There is definitely lore evidence of ships 'going missing' in witchspace during transit - of course, they never came back to tell.

You can find out more from my old lore articles, kindly preserved by Canon Research, here > https://canonn.science/game-lore/ though do not these cannot be confirmed to be accurate post v2.4 of ED - random retconning has occured in the meantime.

Cheers,

Drew.
 

Jonesy42

Jonesy42
Hey Drew,

So.. can you confirm wether or not there are structures to be found in Witchspace?
And why can Thargoids hover in Witchspace?
And what's with the new Thargroid variant? Is it Pladeins personal project or the 2nd race of Thargoids?

Thanks in advance (and sorry for bothering you with Witchspace so much, but I find it very interesting)
 

Lapstrake

Lapstrake
I'm completely new to Elite, and I'd love to learn a bit about the lore to make my experience feel a bit more 'alive'.

I've started reading the original book, canonn science, and occasionally go down the wiki rabbit hole, but there's a whole lot to read.

So, I have a question. If you wanted to tell one quick story about elite dangerous to a random person to peak their interest in elite lore, what would you tell them about?

(no need to actually tell the whole story, unless you want to that is - I can look it up :))
 

Han_Zen

Han_Zen
Oscar Mike said:
Players have never seen the biological appearance of Thargoids and Guardians.
Does the public in the ED universe know it?
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There are descriptions of Thargoids in 'Out of the Darknes'. I don't think the public knows much, except that they are big insectoid monsters.
On the Guardians, I think that Ram Tah's descriptions are all there is.
 

Han_Zen

Han_Zen
zimms said:
I don't think Out of the Darkness is still considered canon.
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All the official books are still considered canon. There are details in 'Out of the Darkness' and in 'And here the wheel' that does not fit anymore, but the general stories are OK.

In the case of 'Out of the Darkness' I think it's Carl Linnaeus' and the Alliance delegations meetings with the Oresrians in the 3250s, that is no longer correct.
Thargoid physiology has probably not changed.
 

zimms

zimms
Imho there are quite some other details in that book which would surprise me if they are still valid.

From what we know in-game about Thargoids and their war with the Guardians, those bugs are not the type to sit at a table to negotiate. I don't think they'd pay the 500 gold to sign a Research Agreement.
 

yelboc

yelboc
Hi Drew, not sure if this has come up before... In 'Premonition', the Thargoid clans are described as 'Klaxians' and 'Oresrians' with the former persuing the the latter through Human space. Can we take this as canon in the current story or has this been retconned?

Thx.

[ just finished both of your books - many thanks for an entertaining read! ]
 

zimms

zimms
I wouldn't be surprised if even he can't give you a definite answer on that. He was probably told back then that it is considered canon, but whether that's still true today? Who knows.
 

Thatchinho

Thatchinho
zimms said:
Imho there are quite some other details in that book which would surprise me if they are still valid.

From what we know in-game about Thargoids and their war with the Guardians, those bugs are not the type to sit at a table to negotiate. I don't think they'd pay the 500 gold to sign a Research Agreement.
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What we know in game about the Thargoid - Guardian conflict all comes from one side.

Is there anything to suggest the Guardians would be more impartial in their version of events than we would?

Also, the info doesn’t even come directly from the Guardians themselves, it comes from a third party with their commentary and take on things. And that person is not necessarily fully informed, unbiased or impartial.
 
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