Loot doesn't neccessarily need to drop from kills. The "looter" part is you hunt for loot. Be it chests, drops, quest outcomes etc.
Lower your Expectations for ED
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It needs to be entertaining when you waste your time. If it's annoying it's just a waste of time.
I think people are complaining about unentertaining ways to waste time, like grinding materials. I'm not defending them, as I say that if you're not having fun doing XYZ, then don't do it! Unless, of course, if XYZ pays the bills.
Now I suppose there's an argument that some entertaining ways to waste time are gated behind unentertaining grinds. PvP might qualify as that. Not being a dedicated PvPer myself, I'll allow someone else defend their position on this specific topic.
All good points. Baffle reduced accordingly
So I will use one of easiest examples.
If you travel between entry point and station you can just wait.
Or you can scan ship or two.
Since travelling is huge part of game this simple trick can give plenty materials.
Ooooor.
You can go to 1 system, scan beacon, reload game, scan beacon, and repeat it for hour.
You could apply this rule to nearly all things, but nah.
Better grind grind grind and farm, and after it repeat, how bad it is
Fair enough, liberally applied.
Then the definition somewhat becomes meaningless when taken to its logical extreme. To be fair, everyone is free to have their own opinion what constitutes this or that, and I 100% respect that, but I think it's also fair to acknowledge what some terms may mean to others based on the general consensus of what it means when trying to communicate a more personal interpretation of a term, to avoid confusion.
Within the context of Odyssey I would say that referring to it as a 'looter shooter' is misleading at best.
I mean, you are being consistent. I will grant you that. I would agree that it has some of the elements, but to call it a looter shooter emphasizes what is but a small fraction of what Minecraft is, and Elite for that matter.
Each option has it's merits, depending on the player. I despised the EDO grind until I discovered EDOMH. I enjoy it now that I can actually track my progress towards a set of goals.So I will use one of easiest examples.
If you travel between entry point and station you can just wait.
Or you can scan ship or two.
Since travelling is huge part of game this simple trick can give plenty materials.
Ooooor.
You can go to 1 system, scan beacon, reload game, scan beacon, and repeat it for hour.
You could apply this rule to nearly all things, but nah.
Better grind grind grind and farm, and after it repeat, how bad it is
Are there aspects of the game I'd like to see changed? Of course, but those changes would likely take away from others' enjoyment. ED has something for everyone, but it doesn't have everything for anyone. It's all a matter of perspective, and we all have at least a slightly different way of seeing things.
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That's not liking engineering though, that's liking the results. I don't like the process or the unlocks.
In a fantasy MMO, it makes sense to collect 5 unicorn farts, 6 fairie droppings and 7 chicken teeth to craft a magical effect because it's a magical nonsense universe that runs on nonsense. You are making a discrete nonsense effect that requires that nonsense. It's magic.
Apply that to a scifi and (at one time) based on logic universe and it all falls to crap. You can't get unicorn farts here in logic land so whaddya do? Start making up stuff like particulate blenders and exquisite cuisinarts. Use "sciencey" stuff like carbon, sulfur, phosphorus.
But, in logic land people are going to start asking silly questions like - "Hey, isn't Carbon like one of the most common elements that I can make just by burning my snot?" and "Where is the company making all those cuisinarts? Can't I just buy that stuff?"
You can get away with unicorn farts in fantasy land because the only things making those are unicorns and they probably don't like having their farts collected.
But in science land? F A I L.
I feel like the engineering requirements were a way to force people out of comfort zones and dip into other aspects of the game. I know personally I never left the bubble and the Palin trip for 5k forced me out and I cut teeth on exploration and it opened a new area of the game I had never even messed with. The same with the mining stuff. So in a way I was glad for it because it was things I never would have gone and done of my own accord.
I agree it is annoying to have to do arbitrary things you have no interest in and defeats the purpose of things being so open ended but I understand it from a game design standpoint.
I dont know about beacons, but I know about scanning ships: I didnt yield much of any use and wasnt any entertaining.So I will use one of easiest examples.
If you travel between entry point and station you can just wait.
Or you can scan ship or two.
Since travelling is huge part of game this simple trick can give plenty materials.
Ooooor.
You can go to 1 system, scan beacon, reload game, scan beacon, and repeat it for hour.
You could apply this rule to nearly all things, but nah.
Better grind grind grind and farm, and after it repeat, how bad it is
Make sure you use a g5 wide angle scanner. Full 180° frontal coverage
I sometimes find myself visiting Marco to apply experimentals, i usually get at least a HGE on the way there and some decent scan results
I agree to a certain point , but it's like the pp weapons people do the bare minimum with no thought for the mechanics ?
If you want a mining laser upgrade, mine , if it's jump range, explore etc . Not get aligned with such and such then this and that ...
The old engineering with it's rng made you understand what you were looking at , it was disliked because of the rng but also due to the small material storage . The new one is oh I need G5 with a certain experimental.
I normally pick up stuff doing day to day stuff and most of my fleet is maxed G5 ( fas has still legacy engineering ) because I did it over 6 years and 1000s of hours.
And I still hate Marco with a vengeance even after all those years .
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I suspect they're talking about Jameson's Cobra, however if you're just after wake scans for jump range my preferred method was to go to an orbital installation. There's a battle scenario that repeats but I ignored that and scanned the wakes as ships jumped in and out.
About as quick as Jameson's and far less mind numbing, plus I could do it in a system with an encoded trader.
All true and fantasy games certainly have it a lot easier - but the Elite Dangerous universe stopped making logical sense [1] long before Engineers were introduced, back in the days of the pre-1.0 game when (so we're told now, anyway) Frontier cared about that sort of realism stuff.
Questions like "why can't my ship's sensors detect a brightly-painted skyscraper-sized object with no cover at 2km range?" or "given that it takes less time to transport cargo from A to B than it does for me to go to the supermarket, why are the import and export prices so different?" or "why didn't the introduction of the FSD in 3290, reducing travel times across the entire bubble from weeks to hours, cause absolute political chaos?" or "why does the Power Distributor break conservation of energy?" were all entirely obvious and unanswered in 1.0
Frontier explicitly said when the engineers were introduced that their material costs aren't necessarily for making the upgrade itself - that they're wanting carbon with a specific and known origin planet to do isotopic analysis, or to see the effect of catastrophic battle damage on cuisinart remains, is one of the easier non-realism things to handwave, if anything.
[1] The Elite series as a whole mixes WW2 dogfighting with 17th century Age of Sail trading and piracy with Cold War politics and sets it all In Space. The only concessions to "realism" are the planetary/system generation and scale - and fine, that's the vision and gameplay has to fit around it - and the Serious 80s Military Scifi aesthetic. (Which is why things like No Man's Sky or the Star Control series or Kerbal Space Program which make very clear they're not Serious Military Scifi For Serious Military People And Their Serious Moustaches end up rather more consistent thematically overall)
For wake scans, my preferred method is just to scan a single wake on the way out of a station’s mass lock. It’s not like I’m doing anything useful during that brief interval, and usually I need to go FAO to track it, which gives me some practice. Why go out of my way, when there’s stuff right there?
That’s one of the reasons why I preferred such questions (usually raised due to gameplay compromises) to be unanswered. It left room for headcanon. In order:
1) Stealth in Space has always been a silly concept, but if it is possible, through applied Witchspace technology for example, it would result in the situation we see today: close range combat within effective passive sensor range, and a lack of active scanners, which would paint a huge target on your back
2) 3) The FSD is a new technology*, and it hasn’t trickled down to the general population yet. The Pilots Federation in particular has a near monopoly on civilian use. That’s why you frequently see USSs containing ships traveling in real space, and helps explain, somewhat, the absurd mission rewards we see today.
4) The power numbers we see in outfitting aren’t reflective of total power output or consumption of a ship, just those in excess of baseline.
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* And yes, I know that supposedly the FSD replaced the older Hyperdrives instantly after its invention. I choose to interpret that as referring to the Pilots Federation, and only for those who could afford to upgrade their membership status (AKA the players.)
And this is my point.
Gathering damn materials when you are doing something else, as bonus (or shortly after activity).
If inside station, during landing I can target anything...why not?
Personally I gather wakes in CZs after battle, I could just charge fsd 1s after end, but I prefer doing it to avoid relogfest around jameon's cobra, dav's hope, or other, stupid place, which require tons ot reloads of instance. Additionally, sometimes some NPCs bug, and refuse waking after fight, so after it I can have few targets more.
In light of various opportunities to gathering materials sitting as duck in 1 special spot, and reload game for hours and hours is simply pointless.
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