Make Elite an MMO again !!

[LeoBartlet]

I just hope they fix the issue where players in Solo/PG can have as much influence in the BGS as players in Open.

I hope when they do that they introduce some downsides to playing in open besides having to listen to peoples e chat. I mean if I cant influence the bgs because I don't want to play in open then openers should face some downsides.

Open to suggestions commandos.

 

[Robert Maynard]

Yup, another indication of how pertinent this topic is. It's either a new thread or necro, pick your poison.

For some players, not all players.

I just hope they fix the issue where players in Solo/PG can have as much influence in the BGS as players in Open.

Whether it's an issue to be solved or a game feature that makes the game attractive to PvE players rather depends on ones preference, or lack thereof, for PvP - in a game where the Developer decided that PvP would be optional while every player affects the BGS equally regardless of game mode.

 

[khalismur]

if I cant influence the bgs because I don't want to play in open then openers should face some downsides.

Oh I think you should be able to influence the BGS in Solo/PG, just not as much as in Open. And there are downsides of course, such as the risk of being ganked when facing another active squadron supporting a rival PMF

 

[VR StarLightPL]

... and with 20 pages, unwatch ;-) thx 4 entertainment and (not) see you out in the black ;-)

 

[LeoBartlet]

Oh I think you should be able to influence the BGS in Solo/PG, just not as much as in Open. And there are downsides of course, such as the risk of being ganked when facing another active squadron supporting a rival PMF

Yea well if I were to start playing in open and sought to interfere in a systems bgs the moment I started getting interdicted is the moment I add them to the block list. There problem solved for me im now playing open/solo

How you gonna stop me now?

 

[Brrokk]

I came to that same conclusion several years ago! I just don't think there's a simple/easy fix to this issue; and in some ways, the three-game modes system as it stands does offer the best compromise.

I think it's actually a clever and innovative game design. If ED had been designed as "Fortnite in space" it would have shut down by now. If it had been a single-player game it would by now be a niche curiosity, of interest mostly to the 1980s gamers. As it is, though, it appeals to a huge range of diverse players, offering them different game experiences. The result is seen in profits and funding for future development, benefiting all of us.

The downsides are:-
1. It's prone to the "other people are playing wrong" disease. This type of thread is just one example.
2. It's hideously difficult to get/keep working and balance, probably accounting for the caution and slowness of development.

FD have made some bad decisions (e.g. killing piracy by allowing ganking and making mission-specific cargo), but on the whole I think they've done a great job of creating the game and holding it together.

 

[khalismur]

Yea well if I were to start playing in open and sought to interfere in a systems bgs the moment I started getting interdicted is the moment I add them to the block list. There problem solved for me im now playing open/solo

How you gonna stop me now?

That's totally up to you, commander. I won't stop you, neither will I gank you without reason and thus land in your block list. Not everyone advocating for this is a ganker.

 

[Rat Catcher]

... and with 20 pages, unwatch ;-) thx 4 entertainment and (not) see you out in the black ;-)

C'mon... it's hardly started - shall I PM you if it gets interesting?

 

[LeoBartlet]

That's totally up to you, commander. I won't stop you, neither will I gank you without reason and thus land in your block list. Not everyone advocating for this is a ganker.

Then we come back to why should Frontier reduce a person who plays in open/groups impact on the game when even in open its entirely possible to mess with the bgs and never spot another player.

 

[VR StarLightPL]

if it gets interesting

It is as likely to happen as single game mode bonus Dang now I need to unwatch again ;-)

 

[khalismur]

Then we come back to why should Frontier reduce a person who plays in open/groups impact on the game when even in open its entirely possible to mess with the bgs and never spot another player.

Right, so if it'll hardly affect commanders who'll " mess with the BGS and never spot another player", why are they so adamantly against it?

On the other hand, it'll GREATLY affect commanders and squadrons that are engaged in very active BGS rivalries with other PMF, where PvP happens every day.

 

[zombieapocalypse]

I think it's actually a clever and innovative game design. If ED had been designed as "Fortnite in space" it would have shut down by now. If it had been a single-player game it would by now be a niche curiosity, of interest mostly to the 1980s gamers. As it is, though, it appeals to a huge range of diverse players, offering them different game experiences. The result is seen in profits and funding for future development, benefiting all of us.

The downsides are:-
1. It's prone to the "other people are playing wrong" disease. This type of thread is just one example.
2. It's hideously difficult to get/keep working and balance, probably accounting for the caution and slowness of development.

FD have made some bad decisions (e.g. killing piracy by allowing ganking and making mission-specific cargo), but on the whole I think they've done a great job of creating the game and holding it together.

I agree. Initially, I was very sceptical about the three game modes but over the years I've come round to seeing it as an inspired design decision. But it's impossible to keep all the players happy all the time, and there's a very vocal minority of the player base that will never accept any compromise to their vision of what the game should be.

 

[LeoBartlet]

Right, so if it'll hardly affect commanders who'll " mess with the BGS and never spot another player", why are they so adamantly against it?

On the other hand, it'll GREATLY affect commanders and squadrons that are engaged in very active BGS rivalries with other PMF, where PvP happens every day.

Well first off I don't give a single toss about the bgs. Second im just pointing out the flaws in the argument.

If suddenly Frontier were to change the bgs so that only those in open affect it you might get a few more open commandos to swell the ranks but if someone really wants to impact a systems bgs all they need to do is become very liberal with the block function.

I look forward to the threads then being about removing the block function.

 

[Robert Maynard]

On the other hand, it'll GREATLY affect commanders and squadrons that are engaged in very active BGS rivalries with other PMF, where PvP happens every day.

Frontier made their stance clear on this around the time player factions were introduced:

Is there planned to be any defense against the possibility that player created minor factions could be destroyed with no possible recourse through Private Groups or Solo play?

From the initial inception of the game we have considered all play modes are equally valid choices. While we are aware that some players disagree, this hasn't changed for us.

Michael

 

[khalismur]

If suddenly Frontier were to change the bgs so that only those in open affect it

That's not what's being suggested. For the third time now, what I proposed was a buff to Influence on the BGS for cmdrs who've been playing in Open. Specially during a "war" and in CZs between PMFs.

 

[CMDR Lukone]

I think it's actually a clever and innovative game design. If ED had been designed as "Fortnite in space" it would have shut down by now. If it had been a single-player game it would by now be a niche curiosity, of interest mostly to the 1980s gamers. As it is, though, it appeals to a huge range of diverse players, offering them different game experiences. The result is seen in profits and funding for future development, benefiting all of us.

The downsides are:-
1. It's prone to the "other people are playing wrong" disease. This type of thread is just one example.
2. It's hideously difficult to get/keep working and balance, probably accounting for the caution and slowness of development.

FD have made some bad decisions (e.g. killing piracy by allowing ganking and making mission-specific cargo), but on the whole I think they've done a great job of creating the game and holding it together.

Sure it was good, or not bad...

But since many people always think the PvP interaction is a bad thing look at Fortnite, League of Legends, CS-GO...

They are not only creating further development, look at Riot Games or Epic Gamess, they did go where no man has gone before in terms of creativity and profits.

While all these years companies tend to say PvP is a niche, actually some companies are demostrating that logic is reversed.

PVE is the niche.

And they got billionaire reward for that....

So maybe, ED, due to actually having 3 modes where you can play solo or with your friends without any PvP interaction, maybe they need to start thinking in getting a better PVP experience ONLY in Open play. Just for profits and so.

 

[LeoBartlet]

That's not what's being suggested. For the third time now, what I proposed was a buff to Influence on the BGS for cmdrs who've been playing in Open. Specially during a "war" and in CZs between PMFs.

You might not have suggested it but plenty of openers have in the past and certainly in the future.

Good luck with your proposal even if its never going to happen.

Fly safe commando.

 

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[zombieapocalypse]

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[Starshot_Jigawatts]

That's not what's being suggested. For the third time now, what I proposed was a buff to Influence on the BGS for cmdrs who've been playing in Open. Specially during a "war" and in CZs between PMFs.

Yes and for the fifth dozen time, we say no to that proposal. We don't think it's a good idea. We don't want to play the game your way. Simply repeating your position, with ever increasing levels of vitriol, isn't going to suddenly make us see the light and agree.

Why do you and others like you do this? Why can't you simply be content to play the game how you wish and let others do the same? For some reason you PVP guys have this need to make everyone else forced to be content for your PVP cravings. I am not your personal game content, get it? We are not NPC's here for your pleasure. You clearly don't respect our agency so why should we respect your proposals?

If you force me and others into Open with these absurd mechanics, then eventually every gank tool and every gank ship will be nerfed into the ground. So maybe think about that. Because instead of leaving us a viable method to avoid PVP if/when we wish to, you will suffer the consequences of us raising our voices and making changes to Open for OUR benefit not just yours. Maybe ponder that, you may just get what you wish for and you won't end up liking it.