Make Open Play matter - Power Play and BGS should be influenced only in open

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lol if I got refunded every time a game partially removed or restricted one feature, I could game for free.
They would be removing it from only one section of players. Console players (PS4 I think) without multiplayer. Not exactly fair is it?
Sure they can remove it from everyone equally and then it'd be the situation you mentioned... but it's not.
 
Quite. Even without the whole "can't afford to" part, making PP open only would, on consoles at least make PP into a Pay-To-Win mechanic, since it's the only way to get certain arguably more powerful equipment. And I don't think anyone here wants pay-to-win in the game.

If you would read the above thread, pretty much any time somebody proposes Open Only PP it comes coupled with "Move the modules to the tech broker." Seriously, nobody likes module shopping.
 
Power Play is supposed to be the main outlet for PvP. It is one of the few aspects of the game where players directly compete. If you want to compete in Power Play, you should be forced to actually compete with other players in open.

That notion about PP came about long after it was released. There was no talk of that as it came out. That talk started around the time they re-started PP with the PvP proviso. I can't exactly recall what release that happened with.

Just look at how PP is designed. It was designed with opposing buckets to fill through decidedly PvE activities. If PP initially had any PvP elements, would the game play have been so PvE-centric. Your assertion falls a bit flat when compared to reality.
 

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Quite. Even without the whole "can't afford to" part, making PP open only would, on consoles at least make PP into a Pay-To-Win mechanic, since it's the only way to get certain arguably more powerful equipment. And I don't think anyone here wants pay-to-win in the game.
Well the Pay to Win has been voted before Elite Dangerous was released Frontier decided to sell Cosmetic and bobbleheads to support the game So everyone in every mode could play in the same types of game. That not including CQC that was a feature added sometime after Elite was Released. But Power Play and CG were ACCESSED TO ALL. It should stay that way.
 
Initially, I thought that all the modes impacting Power Play and so forth was a bit ridiculous; however, the idea has grown on me.

First off, both sides in a struggle probably have people working in solo so I'm guessing that it is largely a wash.
Secondly, I think I read somewhere that only 24 people ever show up in an instance at a time which means your dreams of a blockade and so forth are largely ridiculous. That is, people are going to end up in a different instance, where you cannot reach them, anyways.

So I kind of like the idea that someone can change things from Solo.
That makes them part of the larger community - your inability to whack them doesn't change that.
 
Well the Pay to Win has been voted before Elite Dangerous was released Frontier decided to sell Cosmetic and bobbleheads to support the game So everyone in every mode could play in the same types of game. That not including CQC that was a feature added sometime after Elite was Released. But Power Play and CG were ACCESSED TO ALL. It should stay that way.
Not really sure how bobbleheads and cosmetics give you a bonus over others though... PP modules on the other hand...
 
Yes, it is PvP.

You choose a side, you fight for that side. You kill players on the opposing side.

Its not like in BGS where arguably PvP has no impact.

Taking out a Player in a T9 or a Cutter is equivalent to removing 700 fort/prep units from the game. With triggers around 5000, you set the opposing team back nearly 25%.

Its a competition where players choose sides. How can it not be PvP?

Besides, that's completely untrue about it not being called PvP at the start anyways.
 
Yes, it is PvP.

You choose a side, you fight for that side. You kill players on the opposing side.

Its not like in BGS where arguably PvP has no impact.

Taking out a Player in a T9 or a Cutter is equivalent to removing 700 fort/prep units from the game. With triggers around 5000, you set the opposing team back nearly 25%.

Its a competition where players choose sides. How can it not be PvP?

Besides, that's completely untrue about it not being called PvP at the start anyways.

Why does PvP have nothing but an ancilliary effect on PP then? Every task PP asks us to do is PvE. Fill those buckets, that's it. The PP as THE PvP activity idea was Sandro's suggestion. It was sort of field-tested with the re-start. After that the idea cooled quite a bit. Backlash and low participation are the likely culprits there. You have your facts messed up, but that's only because plenty of players have been spouting that line of thought. Hearing something enough seems to make it true to some folks.
 
I still say No. If I have to pay to do the an Activity that I like to do today and is taken away from me like Power Play. I will ask every Console users who don't pay to play to BOYCOTT Elite Dangerous and ask for a refund.
 
Why does PvP have nothing but an ancilliary effect on PP then?

Those buckets don't fill themselves.

Power Play is not a PvE activity, everything done in Power Play is done by players against other players. By definition this is PvP.

And as I already said, killing other players in Power Play does actually have a tremendous effect, you can set their agenda back by double-digit percentages (and millions of CR) by killing your enemy.

I will ask every Console users who don't pay to play to BOYCOTT Elite Dangerous and ask for a refund.

I'm so scared.
 
Did you know the fact you can't afford a console subscription fee in order to play Elite: Dangerous' multiplayer modes is your problem, not FDEVs?

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Did YOU know that a subscription wasn't (isn't) needed to play PowerPlay right now either, but making it Open only will change that?
 
Those buckets don't fill themselves.

Power Play is not a PvE activity, everything done in Power Play is done by players against other players. By definition this is PvP.

And as I already said, killing other players in Power Play does actually have a tremendous effect, you can set their agenda back by double-digit percentages (and millions of CR) by killing your enemy.



I'm so scared.

How are you directly rewarded in PP for shooting up another Commander? How are you directly rewarded for filling a bucket? I rest my case.
 
Did you know the fact you can't afford a console subscription fee in order to play Elite: Dangerous' multiplayer modes is your problem, not FDEVs?

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See Power Play you can play in all modes right now. Having equal to everyone and having players trying to take it away from me. So the problem is not Frontier or my financial issue. But ignorant players asking to have something taken away from me.
 
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