MATERIAL TRADERS FILTER in Galaxy map IS COMPLETE USELESS

[Stigbob]

You said you don't use it: "without bothering to check Inara". My bad for the assumption.

Firstly I'm not upset, I'm frustrated about people like you who just want to stifle other people's efforts to make the game better. Do you even realize you're doing that?

It would make the game worse for people who like looking for themselves, people who need to know right now already have resources for that.

Sorry, what exists only in my head?

Your incorrect assumptions about other peoples opinions.

If you actually HAD checked Inara you would see that 90% of statoins say 'either/or'. So once again, if you have not the first clue what you're talking about, perhaps you should stop talking about it. Also, led by the hand? If I was new here and so were you, I could excuse that. Do my postings generally follow a bent that I want everything given to me without effort? That's just a bad attempt to troll me. Try harder.

Fifty percent is a lot more accurate, with information about the systems state affecting the type of trader, and the ability to check the state of the system. But I wouldn't know that because inside your head I haven't looked.

Are you actually being obtuse now? There is no development effort in flipping this switch that says poll these things from 'visited stations' or 'all stations'. There's nothing inaccurate about my assessment of your reasons. What I propose would make the game better. you seem to want to hold it back just because the current situation doesn't bother you. CAn you accept that it bothers me? If so, well that's mighty big of you, perhaps we can move this along.

Better for you in your opinion doesn't automatically mean better, or better for everyone, or better for the game.

When I see someone post an idea, call me insane, but I consider whether the implementation of that idea affects the way I play in a negative or positive way. If neither, then I don't put my oar in, cos the outcome doesn't affect me. I'm happy with teh way Assassination missoins are performed, but if someone made a suggestion to, I dunno, make all assassinations shareable, I wouldn't have anything to say, it wouldn't change my experience. I suggest you perform the same evaluation before sabotaging the suggestions threads of others. What you are doing is called bashing and it is actually against the rules in many forums.

What you are doing is called backseat moderation, and it isn't working and it isn't going to work. It's not up to you where or how I post.

How many times can I say the same thing. Go check Inara, then come back and tell me where the unambiguous info is.

Again that only exists inside your head.

Yes. Since you are happy with it as it is now, and that won't be made worse by the implementation of wider ranging filters, there is only one possible reason you could have for participating negatively in this thread. To annoy people and sabotage the idea for no other reason than your own personal gratification (or maybe it's personal against me? Least likely scenario, but I'm scraping the barrel here).

Again whatever's exists only inside your head is your problem, and you are the one consistently posting about me rather than what I post.

Sabotage LOL.

 

[galahad2069]

Also, do you really think that mat traders should be an adventure of discovery or that anyone wanting to use one would see it that way? We're not talking about binary earth-likes, we're talking about a basic service in the game introduced for CONVENIENCE.

Very much this.

Or, as an alternative, they could remove all data from the galaxy map, including star class. After all, some explorers might enjoy the hard way of finding out (by trial and error, without an in-game spectroscope) whether the next star en route is scoopable or not.

The possibilities would be endless. They could even make disdainful forum posts directed to all the whiners who don't like having to look up inara before every single jump, mocking them for how they want a godmode or something like that

 

[Aashenfox]

I am now convinced you are trolling me, again half your replies don't even make sense in the context, half your post amounts to "no, u!". You're just one of those people who is against any kind of change that doesn't directly benefit you. You are incapable of seeing the game from someone else's perspective (I see yours just fine, and weigh the benefits of change higher than the benefit to you of having to continue to find them on your own if no change is made, hardly a stretch) I will not waste further time discussing it with you.

 

[Stigbob]

I am now convinced you are trolling me, again half your replies don't even make sense in the context, half your post amounts to "no, u!". You're just one of those people who is against any kind of change that doesn't directly benefit you. You are incapable of seeing the game from someone else's perspective (I see yours just fine, and weigh the benefits of change higher than the benefit to you of having to continue to find them on your own if no change is made, hardly a stretch) I will not waste further time discussing it with you.

Maybe you should try discussing what people say instead of them and what you imagine they think.

Either that or it's all just a deliberate sabotage conspiracy.

 

[Aashenfox]

Already tried that.

 

[Stigbob]

Already tried that.

Source required.

 

[GroundxZERO]

Yep. Once again we have madness and FD don’t even bother to explain if there’s a method behind it. As it stands it’s completely ridiculous that we have to go there first and makes the galmap as useful as a pencil and paper. At the very least they could’ve given us a handful of each to start out with and let us unlock the rest through playing but nope.

Sometimes I feel like the ED universe is cavemen in space.

 

[Stigbob]

Yep. Once again we have madness and FD don’t even bother to explain if there’s a method behind it. As it stands it’s completely ridiculous that we have to go there first and makes the galmap as useful as a pencil and paper. At the very least they could’ve given us a handful of each to start out with and let us unlock the rest through playing but nope.

Sometimes I feel like the ED universe is cavemen in space.

Oddly enough I actually use a pencil and paper with ED, maybe that's why I enjoy it.

 

[rhiz]

Oddly enough I actually use a pencil and paper with ED, maybe that's why I enjoy it.

Not ideal if you play in VR.

 

[Aashenfox]

Source required.

I might feel inclined to have one more go at this later, but I feel my position is pretty obvious. The convenience to the majority of players would outweigh your desire to have them find out for themselves. You make it about you when you say 'no, people should play my way', and before you accuse me of that in return, just remeber this thread wasnt started by me, I simply agree with the op that the current implementation is crap. We stated our reasons, it causes us inconvenience. Now you must justify why you think we should play like you do if you plan to gain any traction here.

 

[whammo11224]

Let me see if I understand this...in the 21st century, I can do a google search and find prices, reviews and information about all products, but in the 31st century, I have to actually go to the store, before I can even see a price or product?

 

[AbsinthSvK]

Let me see if I understand this...in the 21st century, I can do a google search and find prices, reviews and information about all products, but in the 31st century, I have to actually go to the store, before I can even see a price or product?

no no no, you cant use brain in games. Its just game-play mechanics, nothing more nothing less. When we start comparing normal things which are not in the game, you realize whole game is only game.

 

[crushdepth]

Not ideal if you play in VR.

at least you cant poke yourself in the eye

 

[Speccy]

Having to visit the starport for the Material Trader to show on the Galaxy map is a ridiculous idea.

It's like a business being denied an entry in the Yellow Pages because nobody has visited their premises.

 

[galahad2069]

Better for you in your opinion doesn't automatically mean better, or better for everyone, or better for the game.

Now that the dispute over personal differences has successfully reached a conclusion, can the audience finally have some detailed information on your actual reasoning against the suggestion he made?

 

[Bunkerkind Anni]

i wouldn't say its useless,
but i find myself more often searching things on inara then using the ingame feature for various reasons.

beside the "must have already visited" and "40LY range" limit,
there is also the lack of information WHAT material broker is present in the target system
some stations with material broker have two economies, and there its hard to tell which one is for the broker.

last but not least - someone forgot to seed surface ports with material broker for grade5 raw materials
- at least i have not found one yet

 

[rhiz]

If you value convenience you've got Inara, FDEV don't seem to have any issues with external sites probably due to the belief the internet will still be around in 3303. I found mat traders of every flavor near my home system without bothering to check Inara so it's no biggie for me.

As to being something that has to be addressed, why bother when Inara already provides it.

With respect, this strikes me as nonsensical. I don’t think that I qualify as particularly critical of Elite, but the collation and presentation of information in-game is one area in which FD have fallen short in my view. It can’t be right that players have to refer to external sites in order to play the game effectively. I can understand the reluctance to turn the game into a glorified database, but considering the fact that we are often required to find systems that meet multiple conditions, there should be a sophisticated and flexible means of doing this in game.

Regarding the case of the new Mat Trader filter, it strikes me as another minor misstep. Apart from anything else, it doesn’t make logical sense. Humanity in 3303 has the remarkable ability of faster-than-light travel (itself a necessary piece of fantasy implemented for the sake of convenience), but it seems to have completely lost the capacity to collate, store and share information. In our own history, the trend has been a steady, exponential increase in this capacity.

 

[Stigbob]

Not ideal if you play in VR.

There are VR sketchpads.

I might feel inclined to have one more go at this later, but I feel my position is pretty obvious. The convenience to the majority of players would outweigh your desire to have them find out for themselves. You make it about you when you say 'no, people should play my way', and before you accuse me of that in return, just remeber this thread wasnt started by me, I simply agree with the op that the current implementation is crap. We stated our reasons, it causes us inconvenience. Now you must justify why you think we should play like you do if you plan to gain any traction here.

You don't get to decide what I must or must not do, or must or must not say. You have no input in any of that beyond complaining about it, me laughing at you then you resorting to name calling making me laugh at that as well.

You are not the majority silent or otherwise, that like "crap" is just your opinion. I advocated choice and pointed out we already have the ability to exercise that choice rendering your demand pointless. This isn't a petition it's a discussion, it's not compulsory to post "I approve of this message" and it never will be.

 

[Aashenfox]

There are VR sketchpads.



You don't get to decide what I must or must not do, or must or must not say. You have no input in any of that beyond complaining about it, me laughing at you then you resorting to name calling making me laugh at that as well.

You are not the majority silent or otherwise, that like "crap" is just your opinion. I advocated choice and pointed out we already have the ability to exercise that choice rendering your demand pointless. This isn't a petition it's a discussion, it's not compulsory to post "I approve of this message" and it never will be.

What the hell are you talking about? I'm out...

 

[HBK]

Nah, it's not entirely useless. And I'm pretty sure I've seen suggestions beyond the alleged 40ly limit.

But yeah, current implementation isn't really useful.