BioInsights should (unless disabled) notify you of any atmospheric landable with life - so it's giving a heads-up to check. There are instances where it doesn't predict bios that are present - in 99% of those cases, it's older Horizons bios that it doesn't (yet) support. If it can't predict anything for a body, it doesn't add it to the UI - this is on my list to improve but I've been waiting on the Core UI rewrite before I do too much with the existing UI.
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BioInsights should (unless disabled) notify you of any atmospheric landable with life - so it's giving a heads-up to check. There are instances where it doesn't predict bios that are present - in 99% of those cases, it's older Horizons bios that it doesn't (yet) support. If it can't predict anything for a body, it doesn't add it to the UI - this is on my list to improve but I've been waiting on the Core UI rewrite before I do too much with the existing UI.
So basically ... 1. Always FSS. BioInsight now shows all bodies with life ... or only Odyssey exobio bodies?
2. If BioInsight shows a body, but no predictions, it probably merits DSS. (Will that DSS alter what BioInsight showed? Or do I need to keep manual notes?)
3. At this point, have all Odyssey exobio been found (as to species, not genus/family)? or All exobio, even if legacy exobio is shown as lack of predictions, or by a 'unknown' or something?
4. Sample any interesting/lucrative exobio.
Would that have found the apparently unlisted body mentioned in Artang IV's post? Or is it manually collation of bodies with life signs with list from BioInsight?
The reason I ask is that it seems there's a risk that some borderline or even outside-borders exobios risk remaing unobserved.
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1. Always FSS. If the body has an atmosphere and biologicals BI should give you a notification informing you "Neon atmospheric with life" or whatever. The BI window should update with any predictions at that point.
2. If there are no predictions, body won't even appear in UI. Another thing to look for (and will be improved in a future release) is where the number of predictions is fewer than number of signals - so body would still appear in UI but only show, say 3 different Genus but signals shows 4 etc. DSSing won't add any new rows to BI output, but will mark anything predicted but definitely not present as "Not Present"
3. DSS only gives Genus, not Species but will show you both Horizons and Odyssey bios. If you see a Horizons bio in DSS, that was likely the discrepancy.
4. Yep. If DSS shows an Odyssey Genus that is not listed in BI, composition scan and sample that, and it'll give you a "not predicted" line in BI - then send me those details
I was about to leave the system when I noticed on the ED:Market Connector that I had missed a Stratum Tectonicas on A1
What I thought was really strange is that even after both scans (FSS upon arriving to the system, and DSS of the planet) that it didn't show up in BioInsights. Only until I landed on the planet and did a Composition Scan did it appear in the gui. I had only DSS scanned it originally because of its value and proximity.
Note that I had never been to this system before. I was thinking maybe something had changed on the recent v15 release.
Again, thanks for your efforts on this tool.
Missing "Crystal Shards"
This bio never showed up in BioInsights. Even after both scans of the planet (DSS/FSS), after landing and using the Composition Scanner and actually sampling the data.
Personally I think this is the first I have even seen Crystal Shards, guessing they are pretty rare.
This is my first visit to the system.
I believe I am the first to discover and map it.
The bodies parent star is pretty far from the arrival point (~113k ls).
Usually I wouldn't have traveled that far, but there happened to be a water world and this mysterious body with unknown bio.
System: Hyphielaea NJ-K c8-0
Arrival star: Yellow G
Parent Star: Red M
Planet: B3a - Icy Body around Class 1 gas giant.
Please let me know if there is anything else I can provide to help make this tool better.
Is there a better mechanism for reporting these things? Like a github repo where bugs/features can be requested? It feels like a forum/thread would be difficult to manage and track multiple requests.
This bio never showed up in BioInsights. Even after both scans of the planet (DSS/FSS), after landing and using the Composition Scanner and actually sampling the data.
Personally I think this is the first I have even seen Crystal Shards, guessing they are pretty rare.
This is my first visit to the system.
I believe I am the first to discover and map it.
The bodies parent star is pretty far from the arrival point (~113k ls).
Usually I wouldn't have traveled that far, but there happened to be a water world and this mysterious body with unknown bio.
System: Hyphielaea NJ-K c8-0
Arrival star: Yellow G
Parent Star: Red M
Planet: B3a - Icy Body around Class 1 gas giant.
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{ "timestamp":"2023-05-12T20:20:02Z", "event":"FSSBodySignals", "BodyName":"Hyphielaea NJ-K c8-0 B 3 a", "BodyID":28, "SystemAddress":103045709642, "Signals":[ { "Type":"$SAA_SignalType_Biological;", "Type_Localised":"Biological", "Count":1 }, { "Type":"$SAA_SignalType_Geological;", "Type_Localised":"Geological", "Count":2 } ] }
{ "timestamp":"2023-05-12T20:20:03Z", "event":"Scan", "ScanType":"Detailed", "BodyName":"Hyphielaea NJ-K c8-0 B 3 a", "BodyID":28, "Parents":[ {"Planet":27}, {"Star":2}, {"Null":0} ], "StarSystem":"Hyphielaea NJ-K c8-0", "SystemAddress":103045709642, "DistanceFromArrivalLS":113438.208609, "TidalLock":true, "TerraformState":"", "PlanetClass":"Icy body", "Atmosphere":"", "AtmosphereType":"None", "Volcanism":"minor carbon dioxide geysers volcanism", "MassEM":0.000815, "Radius":824624.250000, "SurfaceGravity":0.477718, "SurfaceTemperature":74.500221, "SurfacePressure":0.000000, "Landable":true, "Materials":[ { "Name":"sulphur", "Percent":28.295635 }, { "Name":"carbon", "Percent":23.793699 }, { "Name":"phosphorus", "Percent":15.233135 }, { "Name":"iron", "Percent":12.772129 }, { "Name":"nickel", "Percent":9.660303 }, { "Name":"zinc", "Percent":3.470986 }, { "Name":"vanadium", "Percent":3.136390 }, { "Name":"zirconium", "Percent":1.483107 }, { "Name":"molybdenum", "Percent":0.834013 }, { "Name":"yttrium", "Percent":0.762864 }, { "Name":"mercury", "Percent":0.557738 } ], "Composition":{ "Ice":0.824042, "Rock":0.160284, "Metal":0.015674 }, "SemiMajorAxis":363898432.254791, "Eccentricity":0.000116, "OrbitalInclination":0.015357, "Periapsis":119.259812, "OrbitalPeriod":272750.198841, "AscendingNode":-136.420256, "MeanAnomaly":53.468709, "RotationPeriod":272758.710211, "AxialTilt":-0.315566, "WasDiscovered":false, "WasMapped":false }
{ "timestamp":"2023-05-12T20:48:51Z", "event":"SAASignalsFound", "BodyName":"Hyphielaea NJ-K c8-0 B 3 a", "SystemAddress":103045709642, "BodyID":28, "Signals":[ { "Type":"$SAA_SignalType_Biological;", "Type_Localised":"Biological", "Count":1 }, { "Type":"$SAA_SignalType_Geological;", "Type_Localised":"Geological", "Count":2 } ], "Genuses":[ { "Genus":"$Codex_Ent_Ground_Struct_Ice_Name;", "Genus_Localised":"Crystalline Shards" } ] }
{ "timestamp":"2023-05-12T20:48:52Z", "event":"Scan", "ScanType":"Detailed", "BodyName":"Hyphielaea NJ-K c8-0 B 3 a", "BodyID":28, "Parents":[ {"Planet":27}, {"Star":2}, {"Null":0} ], "StarSystem":"Hyphielaea NJ-K c8-0", "SystemAddress":103045709642, "DistanceFromArrivalLS":113438.314091, "TidalLock":true, "TerraformState":"", "PlanetClass":"Icy body", "Atmosphere":"", "AtmosphereType":"None", "Volcanism":"minor carbon dioxide geysers volcanism", "MassEM":0.000815, "Radius":824624.250000, "SurfaceGravity":0.477718, "SurfaceTemperature":74.500221, "SurfacePressure":0.000000, "Landable":true, "Materials":[ { "Name":"sulphur", "Percent":28.295635 }, { "Name":"carbon", "Percent":23.793699 }, { "Name":"phosphorus", "Percent":15.233135 }, { "Name":"iron", "Percent":12.772129 }, { "Name":"nickel", "Percent":9.660303 }, { "Name":"zinc", "Percent":3.470986 }, { "Name":"vanadium", "Percent":3.136390 }, { "Name":"zirconium", "Percent":1.483107 }, { "Name":"molybdenum", "Percent":0.834013 }, { "Name":"yttrium", "Percent":0.762864 }, { "Name":"mercury", "Percent":0.557738 } ], "Composition":{ "Ice":0.824042, "Rock":0.160284, "Metal":0.015674 }, "SemiMajorAxis":363898432.254791, "Eccentricity":0.000116, "OrbitalInclination":0.015357, "Periapsis":119.259812, "OrbitalPeriod":272750.198841, "AscendingNode":-136.420256, "MeanAnomaly":55.750044, "RotationPeriod":272758.710211, "AxialTilt":-0.315566, "WasDiscovered":false, "WasMapped":false }
{ "timestamp":"2023-05-12T21:07:43Z", "event":"ScanOrganic", "ScanType":"Sample", "Genus":"$Codex_Ent_Ground_Struct_Ice_Name;", "Genus_Localised":"Crystalline Shards", "Species":"$Codex_Ent_Ground_Struct_Ice_Name;", "Species_Localised":"Crystalline Shards", "Variant":"$Codex_Ent_Ground_Struct_Ice_Name;", "Variant_Localised":"Crystalline Shards", "SystemAddress":103045709642, "Body":28 }Please let me know if there is anything else I can provide to help make this tool better.
Is there a better mechanism for reporting these things? Like a github repo where bugs/features can be requested? It feels like a forum/thread would be difficult to manage and track multiple requests.
Thanks for the info. I didn't realize the plugin didn't include Bio from Horizons. I assume I can still sell it at Vista Genomics though.
Yes, probably 100k only though, most horizons bio are the same value.
Some anemones and/or tubers are worth 1.5 M. 
Some anemones and/or tubers are worth 1.5 M.
That's nice to know, still doesn't make it worth landing if they are the only bio there though.
According to the Vista Genomics Price List from Canon.science.
Crystalline Shards: 1,628,800
So yes, on the low end, but I've done worse with some bacterium. Plus it checks off that Codex entry for the region.
I'm still a little confused about the comment above about it being Horizons vs Odyssey bio. I want to make clear that this was done in Odyssey and on the surface of a planet. (not the Metallic Crystals that you find out in space). This in my mind makes it Odyssey bio regardless if it is also in Horizons.
Thank you all again for the support of this tool.
Horizons bio's are bio's that existed in the game before Odyssey, they can appear on planets with both no atmosphere and atmosphere, whereas Odyssey bio can only appear on planets with atmosphere. Therefore crystaline shards are known as Horizon's bio's and they have been in the game a long time, I was the first player to ever record them anywhere in the galaxy, and that was long before Odyssey. So yes we draw a clear distinction between Horizons bio's and Odyssey bio's based not on where we find them but when they were released.
OK, here's another non-predicted (Bacterium Verrata Lime). Discovered because BioInsight voice identified two landables, one with neon-rich atmosphere, but which didn't turn up in the list of predictions.
The BI list after going down and scanning the bio is (see bioinsight2d.png).
Hopefully relevant in-game info (see bioinsight2c.png).
Extract of presumably relevant journal entries (see bioinsight2_journal_extracts.txt
The system (Boeph RU-E b42-13) is on EDSM.
Let me know if you need additional info.
The BI list after going down and scanning the bio is (see bioinsight2d.png).
Hopefully relevant in-game info (see bioinsight2c.png).
Extract of presumably relevant journal entries (see bioinsight2_journal_extracts.txt
The system (Boeph RU-E b42-13) is on EDSM.
Let me know if you need additional info.
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Looks like this is just fractionally over expected gravity limit. I've updated criteria for next release, but I'm currently waiting on new Observatory Core release so it might be a short while. Thanks for the details
Been trying out the Galactic Exploration Catalog plugin (looks great) and I'm curious as to whether the info listed in it will be able to be copied out of it at some stage. Is this something that will need to wait in the Observatory rewrite?