Mobius suggests how to get 50,000 players back into Open

[Sylveria]

I'm sure the OP will be delighted with the discussion going down that route.

And I wasn't the one who decided to interject "armchair" psychology into the discsussion.

Again, doesn't make it less than relevant.

Put on your big girl panties, and let's have a discussion as to "why" you must be a murder hobo.

 

[WR3ND]

I would not have picked you as a MLP (my little pony) stalwart. My my, this forum is just chock full of surprises, init?

I mean, the show isn't as bad as it could be – my wife and daughter seem to like it well enough. I'm not too fond of the contrived drama and illogical temperaments though.

But alas, no, not the Celestia I was referring to, of course.

 

[Mohrgan]

It's an eventuality of any game that allows it. I don't pretend to know the psychology behind it, but regardless, it's something you can count on in gaming. It's up to the developers to put in systems to minimize it as a problem, if they don't want that sort of behavior in their game.

What if FD are cool with that behavior in one mode, but allow players to use other modes to avoid it? This way, the eventual hobo, has a place to start his fire, while a bucket filler has a place to fill. I can't understand the notion that these things are mutually exclusive. Especially since we are sophisticated space Commanders. We've seen things, and not everyone is the same. Modes = Maximum Flexibility for the player. And, that is not a bad thing.

 

[kofeyh]

I mean, the show isn't as bad as it could be – my wife and daughter seem to like it well enough. I'm not too fond of the contrived drama and illogical temperaments though.

>.< I knew it. Closet MLP militant. Explains everything.

But alas, no, not the Celestia I was referring to, of course.

Indeed. Frontier are showings signs of different input into what they are doing; I think, honestly, the forums are in a spin because there's a sense of a loss of control. I couldn't be happier. Because they are trying things, friend. Things they wouldn't 'normally' do. And again, I am entirely, 100% okay with that.

Mobius has made a set of logical statements, but they miss the emotional element that forms decision making, because that's clearly a decision factor for mode selection at times; neither a good, or bad thing. It just is. Frontier haven't helped in not addressing the inconsistencies prior; but this is the benefit of hindsight.

They cannot undo the past, merely leverage that knowledge, for the future. And at times, that will mean hard decisions.

 

[Deareim]

OP forgot one point that he is doing as ir has to be accurate :
- selling goodies with Mobius logo to cashcow(of course, multiple logos are existing). In order to pay server maintenance of course...

And there is not 50000 active players of course... in that case i could say there are 3 millioms of players in open and solo.

After the suggestions are interesting.

 

[Marra Morgan]

And I wasn't the one who decided to interject "armchair" psychology into the discsussion.

Again, doesn't make it less than relevant.

Put on your big girl panties, and let's have a discussion as to "why" you must be a murder hobo.

If you're so desperate to derail the OP's suggestions, you need to ask a "murder hobo". I can't help you with that.

 

[MadDogMurdock]

I suppose the real question here is, why do you have to be a "murder hobo" to begin with?

 

[Sylveria]

Pretty much this.

I really don't see how all this romanticism with being a "murder hobo" is relevant to "improving" this game.

In a civilized society, I'd imagine the protection of themselves and their loved ones would be paramount to any such romanticism, but I supposed they now become the sacrificial lambs in such discussions, hmm? I mean, if it were you daughter you'd certainly offer them up, yes?

 

[lokvette]

OP forgot one point that he is doing as ir has to be accurate :
- selling goodies with Mobius logo to cashcow(of course, multiple logos are existing). In order to pay server maintenance of course...

And there is not 50000 active players of course...

After the suggestions are interesting.

Cant speak about the cashcow for logos, its been a while since I visted the website so Im unaware of any sort of goodies for sale.

Server maintenance, is the OP forking the bill for FD...as said the PG has its own website so I guess there are overheads for that, but as for servers I was under the impression it was all FD via Amazon or somthing like that.

PG's are not run on external servers in some chaps backroom or did I miss the memo.

 

[Ian Skippy]

Many in Mobius dont want any pvp at all, so I find OP's claim rather... odd. It will also drastically change things in ways that make no sense within the game; traders no longer being protected in engineer systems 'because they are from the opposing side' even though there is no war for example.

I had to attend a mandatory e-secturity session at work last week. Super boring, but one aspect translates very well to Open: the best defense against phishing is the user simply learning to detect phishing mails. Relying on ever more complex systems makes you more vulnerable to stuff that cones through, so just stop clicking those links.

Same with Open. Learn the basics of the game and take some responsibility for your own ship. Or stay in Mobius, which is, despite what some may claim, perfectly fine.

 

[Robert Maynard]

Many in Mobius dont want any pvp at all, so I find OP's claim rather... odd. It will also drastically change things in ways that make no sense within the game; traders no longer being protected in engineer systems 'because they are from the opposing side' even though there is no war for example.

Indeed - especially so as, since comparatively recent changes, no PvP is permitted at all in that group of Private Groups. Engaging in PvP at all when playing in one of the groups is enough to get a player kicked.

To then suggest that players seeking that PvE experience would enjoy a territorial PvP game in Open (or have their effect on the BGS removed) seems odd.

 

[Ian Skippy]

And I wasn't the one who decided to interject "armchair" psychology into the discsussion.

Again, doesn't make it less than relevant.

Put on your big girl panties, and let's have a discussion as to "why" you must be a murder hobo.

The whole point of Open is you are free to truly blaze your own trail, without having to explain any of it to passive-aggressive anonymous people on forums.

 

[Cmdr Esteban]

I'm against it.

In the end, with faction alignment, there will be rewards for participating in PvP, and that's not something we can have.

Why can we not have that? Please elaborate.

Don't get me wrong, I'm actually a predominantly Solo/Mobius player myself because my primitive and geographically remote internet (copper wire "broadband" in Perth, Australia) makes populated Open run like a three-legged dog. And also because Solo gives me the Singleplayer experience - I mean, take that away from me and yes, I quit Elite.

However, why should there not be a system in Open play where PvP activities are rewarded?

They may not be the majority, but a hell of a lot of people enjoy PvP you know. Mobius' suggestions in the OP would finally give such PvP a lore-justified context. I still won't join Open for the reasons given above, but I think the OP ideas are excellent.

 

[Space Dandy]

The whole point of modes is you are free to truly blaze your own trail, without having to explain any of it to passive-aggressive anonymous people on forums.

Fixed that for ya!

 

[kofeyh]

Robert it is either odd, or perhaps recognising that this change may have wider support outside of the forums and assuming Frontier wouldn't dare, is a fairly risky strategy?

Frontier might go through with this. There is a lot of support for the PP changes. Bit hard to discuss the terms of the change, after it happens.

Just a thought.

 

[VR andysonofbob]

I rarely access CGs and I am not aligned to a Faction. I am not a trader. I mainly fly Sidey or Keelback.

I play open and see plenty of CMDRs

The only time I got griefed was by HP and that lot, waiting for Thargoids to mate with the Barnacle. In VR IT WAS SPECTACULAR!
We were in SRVs. Huge OP ships above us, firing what looked like bombs on us on the surface. Some of them buzzing us. It was so cool.

But that was the only time I have been griefed! I am cautious but I think you do need to look for grief to be griefed.

 

[Maro-Val]

How nice to see ideas of how to unite people in open. But you all forget one little thing. The netcode of this game is pants, so players scattered in various modes helps to cover this mess. A couple of hundred players in a CG system can make the system collapse like there is no tomorow and you people want to bring thousands of people in open? Even a succesful multicrew session for half an hour with another person is considered a victory in my book.

Basically what happens on many Sundays where you cant even login in the game due to server errors when many players are online, would happen everyday and it would be a nightmare. So i would suggest to stop asking for things that fundamentally CANNOT happen.

 

[Ian Skippy]

Fixed that for ya!

No, because in Mobius you suddenly have artificial rules you must obey or be kicked out. Its not free. If you prefer mobius, fine. Not sure why that is supposedly contentious; the whole point of mobius is to reduce freedom to increase safety.

 

[Robert Maynard]

Robert it is either odd, or perhaps recognising that this change may have wider support outside of the forums and assuming Frontier wouldn't dare, is a fairly risky strategy?

Frontier might go through with this. There is a lot of support for the PP changes. Bit hard to discuss the terms of the change, afterwards?

Just a thought.

If Frontier were to remove some players effects on the BGS then they'd be in contradiction of Sandro's recent statements regarding PowerPlay being the only feature under consideration for Open only.

 

[kofeyh]

If Frontier were to remove some players effects on the BGS then they'd be in contradiction of Sandro's recent statements regarding PowerPlay being the only feature under consideration for Open only.

I read mobius commentary in light of an alternative to the current powerplay change proposal. A discussion, if you will? Like I said, one can discuss options prior to change, it's much harder afterwards.