General / Off-Topic More than 50 killed in Las Vegas terror attack

[lysan]

I know. It's a real shame. Some of the woods they have there... Stunning. The canyons, impeccable. The coasts, gorgeous.

Such a shame that beauty is blighted by violence.

Don't be scared, death is a part of being on this planet.

The thing that amazes me is no matter how many massacres happen in America they never seem to move any closer to a Dunblane or Port Arthur style "perhaps guns shouldn't be quite so freely available" revelation.

Free men own guns, slaves don't. I know it's cliche but true.

 

[Riktar]

Funny how the media decides the mass shooting at this church was only worthy of page 14.

Church Shooting.

I suppose all the news about multi millionaires "brave" stand by taking a knee instead of standing for the national anthem showed MUCH greater courage than one man confronting an armed shooter. Sarcasm mode off.....

 

[Minonian]

The thing that amazes me is no matter how many massacres happen in America they never seem to move any closer to a Dunblane or Port Arthur style "perhaps guns shouldn't be quite so freely available" revelation.

Oh they had this kind of "revelation" about a dozens of times if not more, but it's always followed by the revelation of some gun nut, or manufacturer about the second amendment. And this is where the whole stunt are ends.

They are pretty much cancelling each others out, but since there are more and more killing spree happens more and more people starting to demand even looser gun regulations because they don't feel themselves safe, because of the other gun carrying peoples with whoms they have an issue...

And this going to continue until the whole system spins itself apart and hell really breaks loose or some people finally coming into their senses.

 

[Riktar]

Oh they had this kind of "revelation" about a dozens of times if not more, but it's always followed by the revelation of some gun nut, or manufacturer about the second amendment. And this is where the whole stunt are ends.

They are pretty much cancelling each others out, but since there are more and more killing spree happens more and more people starting to demand even looser gun regulations because they don't feel themselves safe, because of the other gun carrying peoples with whoms they have an issue...

And this going to continue until the whole system spins itself apart and hell really breaks loose or some people finally coming into their senses.

And which people would those be? The ones who can pass a law restricting gun ownership?

How about the multiple infractions of the law by any shooter? Do you think that anyone committed to harming or killing others is going to be deterred by more laws piled on top of present laws that are ignored?

And do you really think that the elimination of an object will solve a problem? Should we ban or restrict cars? They seem to be gaining popularity when it comes to the taking of a life.

The problem is way more complex than what legislation can accomplish.

 

[Minonian]

Well? considering the fact decapitation pretty much heals headache for once and all?

Yes! I do think!

No head no headache, No guns, no shooting spree quite simple!
And there is difference between cars, and guns. Cars does not meat to take away lives, but this is the only purpose of firearms.

 

[Stigbob]

Free men own guns, slaves don't. I know it's cliche but true.

Not many gangs of marauding slavers in America, what do you actually have to be so concerned about you need a gun (or a collection) ?.

Have a look at these posts below.

Firearms are still considered a basic right in America. It's that simple.

I can shoot in my back yard, and wear a sidearm in public if I want to. If it makes you uncomfortable, that's just too bad for you.

Most of us, even those of us who keep several thousand rounds of ammunition (of which I am one), will never fire a shot at anything but a paper target or a game animal.

Personally, I've never felt particularly safe, but it's not guns that bother me. It's people in general.

I work in one of the most violent cities in America, and deal with it every day.
The truly ironic thing is that I, being the generally law abiding citizen that I am, cannot carry a firearm in this city.

While those with no respect for the rule of law will do whatever they please.
I've had my life threatened on several occasions there. It's not a pleasant place to be.

If I had my way, I would carry a firearm at all times.

That doesn't read like freedom to me, it reads like fear.

 

[FuzzySpider]

Free men own guns, slaves don't. I know it's cliche but true.

Yes, but a lot of free men don't own any guns. That's also true.

You don't need a firearm to do violence.

No. You need a firearm to kill over 58 people and wound hundreds of others in a few minutes. You ain't doing that with a sharp object.

 

[Minonian]

That doesn't read like freedom to me, it reads like fear.

How much freedom you can really have if your insecurity psychologically restricting you?

None at all.

 

[Riktar]

Well? considering the fact decapitation pretty much heals headache for once and all?

Yes! I do think!

No head no headache, No guns, no shooting spree quite simple!
And there is difference between cars, and guns. Cars does not meat to take away lives, but this is the only purpose of firearms.

Respectfully, you are deeming the elimination of an object as the solution to human intent.

And that will not EVER stop evil from finding another way to carry out it's intent.

 

[lysan]

Not many gangs of marauding slavers in America, what do you actually have to be so concerned about you need a gun (or a collection) ?.

Have a look at these posts below.





That doesn't read like freedom to me, it reads like fear.

A slave of the system my friend, you guys are "slaves" of the system, they decide what you can own, that makes you their property because you can't defend yourself if you need to.

However we just look at this in different ways, I don't force you to own a gun, and please don't try to take mine away.

 

[Minonian]

You don't need a firearm to do violence.

But when firearms and violence walking hand in hand? Thats when the bad stuff happens.

 

[lysan]

Yes, but a lot of free men don't own any guns. That's also true.



No. You need a firearm to kill over 58 people and wound hundreds of others in a few minutes. You ain't doing that with a sharp object.

Or a truck to drive into a crowed of people, ban all trucks (see what I did there)

 

[Minonian]

And that will not EVER stop evil from finding another way to carry out it's intent.

Of course not but why we must make him easy? Why we allow it to do it just like that? (snaps with his finger)

 

[Morbad]

Come on, there is no need for private civilian to have that sort of device.

Firearms are damagingly loud and an an extra 20-30dB of suppression for a casual sports shooter or hunter can be the difference between being effectively deaf by 50 or keeping their hearing, or from one accident causing major hearing damage. In exchange for that hearing protection, which is rarely enough to conceal or significantly obfuscate an automatic rifle, you sacrifice some ballistic performance, which would have been more useful in a scenario like this.

Since this guy knew he wasn't leaving, and wasn't going to care about his ears, the idea that having access to a suppressor or not is absurd.

More absurd is the idea that you could keep what is essentially a can with some baffels/washers in it out of the hands of someone willing to die in an attack. If you can tie your shoes, you can build a fair suppressor.

Anyway, suppressors are very useful for legitimate civilian shooters and have been vilified based on asinine Hollywood inspired hysteria and misinformation.

Surely not fully automatic ones?

If you are wealthy and can afford a Class 3 weapon, you can legally own a fully automatic weapon. Of course, this is probably the most difficult way to go about getting one if you are intent to use it for a crime.

You see all those people putting analog sticks on the side of their Warthog HOTAS? That takes about an order of magnitude more time, money, and skill than converting many semi-auto weapons to full auto. Give me a metal file and I can turn a semi-auto open-bolt rifle into full auto. They aren't exactly complex machines.

Of course, it's often even easier to buy or steal a weapon. If the police or military have them, I can have them.

Looks like the shooter did. Full auto fire heard from the recordings on the news.

The shooter had way more than enough money to get whatever weapons he cared to.

There's always a chance it has nothing to do with gun control--He could have bought that fully-automated LMG off the Dark Web and had it shipped in a disguised container, that can happen regardless of how much gun control there is.

No doubt this will be used as an example to enact more restrictive firearm controls, which will do exactly nothing to prevent future attacks like this, but further disenfranchise certain groups, and punish law abiding citizens.

Let's not do the "white guy commits a massacre -> mental issues" thing. Regardless of the specific motivation, this is an act of terrorism.

US media says you need to be speaking Arabic or have brown skin to be a terrorist.

A lot of reports coming in that it was likely about his lifelong gambling hobby, it's possible he lost a few hundred grand from a casino and just went berserk.

Maybe he just didn't like the music.

Really, trying to speculate as to motivation is fairly pointless until a lot more is known.

What we've been witnessing over the past several decades (with the non-terrorism related mass shootings) is a symptom of the decline of western civilization.

I don't consider a couple of mass shooting a year significant enough to be significant enough of much of anything. As tragic as they are for those involved and those who know them, they are a tiny drop in a very large bucket of tragedy that is intrinsic to the human condition.

America is a beautiful country. I would love to visit one day.

But I won't seeing how easy it is to get shot there.

One glance at anything resembling an accurate statistic will reveal how irrational such a fear is.

No. You need a firearm to kill over 58 people and wound hundreds of others in a few minutes. You ain't doing that with a sharp object.

Fortunately, the shooter was also lacking in imagination and a sense of history or he would have realized he probably could have killed more people with a couple of bombs and a rental truck for a fraction of the cost.

 

[FuzzySpider]

And I dare you to walk around in this city I speak of after dark.

I understand what you mean. Too many people with guns...

...in other news, the usual suspects are coming out with some bizarre reasons for this horrific attack.

Spoiler

[video=youtube;etOa8-pFow4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etOa8-pFow4[/video]

While that sort of view is held by enough of the population I don't think there is any hope for progress.

 

[FuzzySpider]

Or a truck to drive into a crowed of people, ban all trucks (see what I did there)

Yes, you made an utterly bizarre argument.

1. Trucks aren't designed to kill people, they're designed to carry stuff. They can be used to maim and kill, sure, but that isn't their primary purpose.

2. You can't do this kind of damage with a truck.

Barcelona. Look it up. While you're at it. Google truck attacks in Europe.

I live in Europe. Please tell me the last time half of a thousand people were injured by a single individual outside of war time here.

 

[Stigbob]

A slave of the system my friend, you guys are "slaves" of the system, they decide what you can own, that makes you their property because you can't defend yourself if you need to.

However we just look at this in different ways, I don't force you to own a gun, and please don't try to take mine away.

America's no different to the UK in terms of freedom, in many ways it's worse. If I get a speeding ticket tomorrow I wont have a pistol waved at me by some yelling nutter while I get out of my car and there's very little gun crime.

Being able to own a huge collection of guns and ammo doesn't make you any more free than me. If you really think you can resist "the system" taking your stuff away you've not taken air power into account. If your government got all antsy to the point you needed to try and fight them off they'd hit you from the air or with long range artillery, your guns would be useless.

 

[Minonian]

I understand what you mean. Too many people with guns..

So we can't ban guns and take em away because peoples feeling insecure because of guns...

LOLWUT? [rolleyes][weird]

 

[Moonax IRL]

People die everyday, it is a part of being alive, I really can't see why some of you get so upset about it, of course it's never pleasant to see people die, but honestly
what did happen in Paris, in London, in Germany this year alone. I carry a pistol everyday, it's just as normal as carrying a pocket knife.

fear of being shot, assaulted, is what makes you a prisoner, a prisoner in your own home, and no I hardly watch TV anymore.

Well your statement as highlighted is clearly the type of you see on some halfwits bumper sticker. As for walking around in fear, I don`t and I also don`t need a weapon to feel secure. Ye Yanks have been fed on a diet of for so many years, ye can`t even see ye have less freedoms and rights than most European countries. Ye live in one of the most unequal societies on the planet with a choice between tweedledum and tweedeldee every 4 yrs with big bushiness winning every time. Ye might have guns coming out of every orifice to give ye a false since of security, but behind all the ye are slaves to the system more than anyone else. Ye are just too blinded by and ticker tape to see it. You should try socialism, its a hell of a lot better than the American excuse for democracy, I`d suggest reading up about it first and also look at universal heathcare.

 

[lysan]

Yes, you made an utterly bizarre argument.

1. Trucks aren't designed to kill people, they're designed to carry stuff. They can be used to maim and kill, sure, but that isn't their primary purpose.

2. You can't do this kind of damage with a truck.



I live in Europe. Please tell me the last time half of a thousand people were injured by a single individual outside of war time here.

Paris...

What We Know

• The truck, a 19-ton refrigeration vehicle rented by the assailant on Monday, sped down the crowded seaside promenade in Nice around 10:45, going about 1.1 miles eastward. The assailant exchanged gunfire with three police officers before he was shot to death.

• At least 84 people were killed — including 10 children and teenagers — and 303 were wounded. Of those wounded, 121 remain in hospitals, 26 of them in intensive care. Foreigners among the dead included three Germans, two Americans, two Tunisians and a Russian. At least three other Americans were injured.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/16/world/europe/nice-france-truck-attack-what-we-know.html

Well your statement as highlighted is clearly the type of you see on some halfwits bumper sticker. As for walking around in fear, I don`t and I also don`t need a weapon to feel secure. Ye Yanks have been fed on a diet of for so many years, ye can`t even see ye have less freedoms and rights than most European countries. Ye live in one of the most unequal societies on the planet with a choice between tweedledum and tweedeldee every 4 yrs with big bushiness winning every time. Ye might have guns coming out of every orifice to give ye a false since of security, but behind all the ye are slaves to the system more than anyone else. Ye are just too blinded by and ticker tape to see it. You should try socialism, its a hell of a lot better than the American excuse for democracy, I`d suggest reading up about it first and also look at universal heathcare.

I'm glad you like where you are, please to teach me how I should live my life.