Which is the issue with firearms, they can kill very quickly and repeatedly at range. Killing the shooter has to happen within seconds to be effective, which unfortunately simply isn't possible most of the time.
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Which is the issue with firearms, they can kill very quickly and repeatedly at range. Killing the shooter has to happen within seconds to be effective, which unfortunately simply isn't possible most of the time.
Minonian
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The problem is you trying to talk in us we must leave this like this because there are other problems and methods too. But the truth is against what you trying to make us belíve? We have one less problem to worry about.
Oddly enough firearms are most accurate when you are lying down, in the UK we just head-butt suicide bombers who are on fire.
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You are actually mistaking the situation for the weapon.
It's easy to kill people in crowds whether it's done with a car or a gun.
Shooting at a distance is itself very, very difficult.
I am not trying to make you believe anything.
If I was, I would point out that in history, the abolishment of gun ownership by citizens has never removed evil.
And it never turned out well for the citizens either....
Believe what you will. I will continue to believe what I will.
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Minonian
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You can't eliminate evil, by abolishing guns and the goal is not to eliminate evil. That's impossible!
The goal is to stop armed killing sprees, and everyday shootings. Guess what? You can do that.
On that point, I agree.
Since evil still exists, I can't dispute this point. That being said, What is impossible in the present may one day be viewed as an unresolved problem of the time.
We are in agreement on the ultimate goal. What method do you suggest to accomplish this?
Minonian
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Less firearms more regulated access for the starter?
And some serious world view readjustment must be done in the American heads otherwise all of this in vain. As far they are keep thinking like before, gun restriction can be only temporal, and just as you said? they find another (less lethal) way to hurt each others.
And some serious world view readjustment must be done in the American heads otherwise all of this in vain. As far they are keep thinking like before, gun restriction can be only temporal, and just as you said? they find another (less lethal) way to hurt each others.
I could see starting a discussion on this. Never hurts to review a process in place.
I have NEVER lumped an entire country into a single mindset. I would disagree with anyone who made a judgment of an entire country based on the individual voices of it's citizens or it's leaders. While I do disagree with some things my country has done, I am also damn proud of other things it has done. And at the end of the day, I would hope that my opinion is judged as that....
MY opinion. Not necessarily the mindset of the entire nation.
Crazy idea. I know it's going to fail because we all know the easy access to guns isn't the problem, but why not try banning them for 5 years and see what happens? 
Crazy idea. I know it's going to fail because we all know the easy access to guns isn't the problem, but why not try banning them for 5 years and see what happens?
Well, even if such easy access was the problem, banning them wouldn't remove easy access to them, at least not for quite a while. You'd have to destroy 200 million privately owned firearms, then figure out how to keep police and military from 'misplacing' more weapons than they already do as black market prices outpaced improved accountability.
Regardless, I'm all for experimentation and were I Supreme Leader of the United States of America, it's something I'd try, for the sake of science...but probably after I'd introduce firearm use and maintenance classes into elementary schools, as correcting some of the astounding ignorance I see surrounding them seems like it would be both more practical to implement, and more effective at reducing the problems surrounding them.
Of course, with politics being the way they are, neither education nor controls are likely to move in any meaningful direction at more than a snails pace, and whatever reactionary changes that are pushed through in short order will be fundamentally flawed by the populist hysteria and ignorance behind them (the kind of legislature that implies a weapon's color or furniture somehow influences it's lethality, for example). And any experiments attempted will be compromised by poor controls, bias, and meddling for political gain.
Crazy idea. I know it's going to fail because we all know the easy access to guns isn't the problem, but why not try banning them for 5 years and see what happens?
Weapons will never be banned, the 5 permanent members of the united nations are the biggest arms dealers in the world.
China, russia, uk, france,and the US.
People will never learn, I've owned firearms since I was ten yrs old, 60 some now. FIREARMS Only three kinds of people in this world use them as weapons, soldiers, police, and criminals.
Number of Americans killed on battlefields in all wars in history: 1,396,733
Killed by firearms in the US since 1968: 1,516,863
Such a bizarre statistic only exists in the USA. If you like guns - fine, that's ok. If you believe that the above is a worthwhile trade off for the freedom to own these devices - again that's ok, I'm not going to argue differently, that's up to you. Just don't claim that it makes your country safer, that's the intellectually offensive part.
Killed by firearms in the US since 1968: 1,516,863
Such a bizarre statistic only exists in the USA. If you like guns - fine, that's ok. If you believe that the above is a worthwhile trade off for the freedom to own these devices - again that's ok, I'm not going to argue differently, that's up to you. Just don't claim that it makes your country safer, that's the intellectually offensive part.
I worked in central America back when rappers were making automatic pistols fashionable in America, it led to a flood of revolvers being sold off really cheap south of the border. Any attempt at limitation would lead to a repeat of that but on a larger scale.
My home is safer, My neighbors call on me if they think there is a break in, scares the hell outta me. Lets argue the case of clubbings in the UK, that's the weapon of choice. Ye know, all the colonialism is the reason for terrorism. OH wait, someone sed it's the US fault. A pistol is a hammer unless you use it otherwise. GROW UP. And look up the stats for people the US saved. The US doesn't lose wars. Look at the sad numbers of russian lives that were lost, want to show more countries into that mix that lost so many. Your a sad man that picks his numbers so badly.
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We could discuss UK clubbing massacres, if there had ever been any.
If you didn't figure it out without help, america grew up with the gun, the uk grew up with the club.
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It's strange how there are multiple gun shot sounds, and the fact that the shooter is present on several lower floors, not the 32nd like the police reported he was found in:
[video=youtube;w5uHYFIKGQc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5uHYFIKGQc&t=392s[/video]
Muzzle Flash on the same floor from another angle: [video=youtube;DtlEb3jcttM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtlEb3jcttM[/video]
Pic in the aftermath:
It's strange how there are multiple gun shot sounds, and the fact that the shooter is present on several lower floors, not the 32nd like the police reported he was found in:
[video=youtube;w5uHYFIKGQc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5uHYFIKGQc&t=392s[/video]
Muzzle Flash on the same floor from another angle: [video=youtube;DtlEb3jcttM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtlEb3jcttM[/video]
Pic in the aftermath:
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The only place you'll find club collections in the UK are museums.
In Las Vegas, the games continue despite the tragedy. Twelve hours after the drama, the players let out a cry of joy when the bartender announces the beginning of the happy hour (drinks cheaper) at the hotel Mandalay Bay (hotel where the killer lived).
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