I wonder how many of the 1.3m who don't own Horizons stopped playing ED before Horizons was released?
I'm thinking, a lot.
I wonder how many of the 1.3m who don't own Horizons stopped playing ED before Horizons was released?
I'm thinking, a lot.
The ONLY real way to make Multicrew worth while is not via cheap CR bribe tactics, but instead actual engaging gameplay that entices players to use it.
The problem is, for years little or no gameplay mechanics have been added to the core gameplay, so when Multicrew was annouced many players asked for information on what gameplay it would offer or bring to the game, fearful that it might be a huge waste of development time.
And then when Multicrew was released it became clear there was little gameplay of note to be gained from using Multicrew. Why would a CMDR want to take part in one small aspect of a ship, when they can instead control a whole ship?
And moving on, it seems FD have forgotten about Multicrew:-
The problem is, for years little or no gameplay mechanics have been added to the core gameplay, so when Multicrew was annouced many players asked for information on what gameplay it would offer or bring to the game, fearful that it might be a huge waste of development time.
And then when Multicrew was released it became clear there was little gameplay of note to be gained from using Multicrew. Why would a CMDR want to take part in one small aspect of a ship, when they can instead control a whole ship?
And moving on, it seems FD have forgotten about Multicrew:-
- Mining 2.0: Why basically little/no effort into giving Mutlicrew some mechanics?
- New Exploration: Why design the new ADS so a CMDR cannot fly their craft and do things, why a Multicrew member can meanwhile use the ADS to carry on identifying objects?
I don't think ED had 1.3 million sales before Horisons came out.
That's the real litmus test, right there.
The fact that nothing that's been introduced after MC actually integrates it suggests it's a bit of a "dead end".
Most newer players only buy the base game and quit soon after going from my friends list plus i held out 3 years from buying the dlc on my main account till Q4 2018
Actually used a bit of multi-crew play last night. No problems with using it, and a bit of fun with it - just would be nice if I could fly one of my own other fighters instead of only being able to send out an NPC. I mean, my NPC's can fly my ship any other time....
I suspect, like most other Elite: Features, this will need it's own year-long, double-secret, extra-silent, twice-delayed major update to really bring into line.
I suspect, like most other Elite: Features, this will need it's own year-long, double-secret, extra-silent, twice-delayed major update to really bring into line.
This
Bugs and janky design. Agreed. The gunner role especially leaves a lot to be desired.
Perhaps. I think multicrew should be very easy to drop in and drop out any time you want, so the rewards should be generally granted very steadily and immediately. Arx to the rescue, perhaps.
The comms menu in general takes some figuring out. Easy enough once you know how to do the task, though.
I don't think I would need this. Maybe it would be useful for some people.
Yes! Ideally wings*multicrew, but even if it was just wings+multicrew with maximum number of combined players still limited to 4, it would be worth it for the added convenience.
It's already possible to stop searching once you have 1 crew, but doing this properly would be less fiddly.
Can't imagine letting just anyone do this, but yes.
Yes, I might be more comfortable with the gunner controls if I was able to practise them by myself first.
These have been discussed in detail in other threads. In general, there should be more to do in supercruise. New roles are not necessary required, just new tasks, like pinning nav targets to the pilot's nav panel, and scanning things even while the ship is moving.
Same idea. There should be punishment/controls, but I don't know how. Maybe blocking is sufficient. One ganker used it to figure out where I was, then showed up later in his ship and tried to kill me. I blocked him for that. There definitely should be bit more elaborate access levels too. Especially if the ability to turn modules on and off to fine tune the power usage was added, access to that feature would generally only be given to trusted friends.
I think they need to simply blend it into the game.
1. Make NPC and Player aspects the same. This means NPC's give pips and whatnot also. The prices could also be adjust for higher crew ships and more realism.
2. Make special mutli player weapons usable by NPC crew for more enhances mining and other activities.
3. Maybe different contract types like static vs percentage prices also. But with downsides. An ability to pay to make them go inactive. Pay a few million or more to get them to stop receiving a percentage during pay.
4. If not already present Players on your ship could be given similar contracts. Then to get money they could literally come work on your ship for a percentage of the profits. A good way to help a buddy get cash when new to the game. Say you go get a billion dollar void opal run and he gets liks 10-20% for the help with lasers! He also learns how to mine! 8)
Make it so multiplayer is an option that is convenient for if and when you want friends to play. not something that is forced on players with unique nonsensical bonuses. It should work that way regardless of Player or NPC.
New contract tiers:
On top of it all they could make new contract types. Maybe negotiable ones. I don't know much about real world contracts and it should probably be base on those for interest and realism. But to make a simple version.
1. No contract: no contract but they either leave randomly or as for a contract if they want to stay. They are paying their way. If you decline a contract it may incrase the chances of leaving. They gain levels and leveling could increase the chance of asking for a contract or abandonment. A bit like a passenger mission. They could be annoying and as for things randomly also. Maybe a wider array of things.
2. Per Action Contract: Each time you leave a station you pay them a set amount. This could be of varying sizes. And either cheap or expensive. Gaining levels can potentially increase the price or have a chance of staying the same and has a chance of getting very cheap crew. Increased levels have a greater chance to ask for a Percentage contract. Checks per level and at a much lower chance per station. Getting to per action contract from a free contract start at lower price points and can be ground to even cheaper prices in the next contract.
3. Percentage contract: This contract is the one we have now. But it has lower version if coming from a lower contract. Working up from free to the next contract is always cheaper. It has a chance per level to ask for an increase. But only on a per level option. Once at max level it will never ask for any changes again.
Contract on pause: Based on the above prices you can have the option to pause the contract for a set time. This cost an upfront cost. The better the crew the cheaper the cost and better timer performance. It can bet set to repeatable or one time. If you run out of money they will void the contract and possibly abandon you. Not applicable to those on a no contract basis.
Different contracts like the per action contract could have increase xp. And no contract would have even more xp boost. It would be totally xp oriented.
1. no contract: +100% xp Bonus. No money penalties. (free crew)
2. Per action contract: +50% xp bonus, -50%half credit penalty(Based on individual crew member cost).
3. Percentage Contract: +0% xp bonus, -0% credit pentalties(Based on individual crew member cost).
1. Make NPC and Player aspects the same. This means NPC's give pips and whatnot also. The prices could also be adjust for higher crew ships and more realism.
2. Make special mutli player weapons usable by NPC crew for more enhances mining and other activities.
3. Maybe different contract types like static vs percentage prices also. But with downsides. An ability to pay to make them go inactive. Pay a few million or more to get them to stop receiving a percentage during pay.
4. If not already present Players on your ship could be given similar contracts. Then to get money they could literally come work on your ship for a percentage of the profits. A good way to help a buddy get cash when new to the game. Say you go get a billion dollar void opal run and he gets liks 10-20% for the help with lasers! He also learns how to mine! 8)
Make it so multiplayer is an option that is convenient for if and when you want friends to play. not something that is forced on players with unique nonsensical bonuses. It should work that way regardless of Player or NPC.
New contract tiers:
On top of it all they could make new contract types. Maybe negotiable ones. I don't know much about real world contracts and it should probably be base on those for interest and realism. But to make a simple version.
1. No contract: no contract but they either leave randomly or as for a contract if they want to stay. They are paying their way. If you decline a contract it may incrase the chances of leaving. They gain levels and leveling could increase the chance of asking for a contract or abandonment. A bit like a passenger mission. They could be annoying and as for things randomly also. Maybe a wider array of things.
2. Per Action Contract: Each time you leave a station you pay them a set amount. This could be of varying sizes. And either cheap or expensive. Gaining levels can potentially increase the price or have a chance of staying the same and has a chance of getting very cheap crew. Increased levels have a greater chance to ask for a Percentage contract. Checks per level and at a much lower chance per station. Getting to per action contract from a free contract start at lower price points and can be ground to even cheaper prices in the next contract.
3. Percentage contract: This contract is the one we have now. But it has lower version if coming from a lower contract. Working up from free to the next contract is always cheaper. It has a chance per level to ask for an increase. But only on a per level option. Once at max level it will never ask for any changes again.
Contract on pause: Based on the above prices you can have the option to pause the contract for a set time. This cost an upfront cost. The better the crew the cheaper the cost and better timer performance. It can bet set to repeatable or one time. If you run out of money they will void the contract and possibly abandon you. Not applicable to those on a no contract basis.
Different contracts like the per action contract could have increase xp. And no contract would have even more xp boost. It would be totally xp oriented.
1. no contract: +100% xp Bonus. No money penalties. (free crew)
2. Per action contract: +50% xp bonus, -50%half credit penalty(Based on individual crew member cost).
3. Percentage Contract: +0% xp bonus, -0% credit pentalties(Based on individual crew member cost).
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I think I've figured it out. They didn't cancel the engineer MC role, they merged it with the gunner. That PIP is what the engineer would have done.
I agree with Frontier's decision that that alone would have been too boring.
Not if it had gameplay and complexity which none of the interactions in Elite have at this time.
A 3rd person turret is one of the most lazy and stupid crew they could have done, after SLF LOL.
no multicrew!
let me put my slf pilots in the chairs!
let me customize their clothing! ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡° )
let me get a wookie!
let me put my slf pilots in the chairs!
let me customize their clothing! ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡° )
let me get a wookie!
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1: Bugs - True - last time I played the bugs made it a very memorable experience, in a bad way
5: Wing & MC - Badly needed.
7: Ship - I have a slightly different take - I can leave my ship in an SLF or SRV without an NPC in every mode except MC :-(
Extra: Allow use of SRVs in MC.
Extra: Bump MC to four players - Ships like the Anaconda have plenty of space for more seats.
Would be nice in combination with a player bounty tracker, too. Have the co-pilot pay attention to reports that auto-file from players who instance with bountied players or stations that let them dock that aren't anarchy. Perhaps watching the bounty in real-time, where the new charges are coming in, and plotting that out while the captain makes sure to get there ASAP or deal with emerging threats. Best of all, this feature would greatly improve with multicrew, rather than feel like an inhibition.
Not even CMDR's should give extra pips.
No, both players and commanders should give extra pips!!! The difference could be the optional pay structure. That is a reason in itself.
Then the reason to get newbs is to save money and you can just keep picking them up to not spend stuff. Maybe make a separate window where newby players can list themselves as crew...
At that point you can make crew and NPC's the same. Maybe have an even lower percentage gain than the cheapest NPC crews.
Player crew members could gain up to 5% from operations so it's worth using them over NPC's. They could start at harmless for 0.5% instead of 1% from harmless NPC's. A full player crew could be a max of 15% unlike the 30-60% from NPC's. And you can literally put your friends into a card like NPC's, but in a different slot like in the friends window or a separate crew screen. Maybe hiring them puts them in a special place in the friend crew. Then friendship drive starts to make sense. Then the only difference is PC's won't always be available. And they would only collect for missions they were involved in. Those missions could be marked with their names so even if the log off or other things they get the money when missions etc are turned in.(This could include all cargo sales collected during the time they were invovled. Tagged like bounty stuff on your equipment and not wiped until a sale is made and the cargo empties from said sales. And not dropped from cargo either unless that same player collects it or something.) Then NPC's and players could give the same adavantages.
No, the extra pip is not necessary. Ppl should learn to manage pips instead of relying on that magical extra pip.
Even the oversized distributor on Kraits is fishy, thankfully it's somewhat balanced by the crappy boost of those ships.