Interesting point. This is the sort of useful feedback we need.
I had been thinking of going down the VR route with ED, however I can't commit to the isolation of the HMD. I've tried a Vive but not in ED, so I am familiar with the awe factor of VR.
My first VR experience in Elite
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Interesting point. This is the sort of useful feedback we need.
I had been thinking of going down the VR route with ED, however I can't commit to the isolation of the HMD. I've tried a Vive but not in ED, so I am familiar with the awe factor of VR.
I've got both (yeah you can hate me) and for Elite I use the Rift, it's more comfortable, the cables are less intrusive and the picture quality is slightly better (although I'd really need to spend more time adjusting the Vive maybe to be fair) comfort is the main issue for extended use.
But it really all comes down to this, is it mostly for Elite?
If so Rift all the way, if not you have a choice of Rift with touch and a third controller or the Vive and there's not much in it but the Vive probably wins for ease of use.
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Really? I'm still spending most of those jumps looking round the ship and being utterly astounded that I'm actually in the middle of a hyperspace jump. Currently on a passenger mission 13 Kylie's out.
Just to add a bit of balance to the discussion, I have a CV1 and GTX1080, but I think that VR still has a way to go before I'd use it to play the game.
The resolution is still not good enough, especially when you compare with a maxed out 4k monitor. I couldn't identify ships until they were pretty close. If you have vari-focal glasses, most of the view is out of focus.
If you wear spectacles, the CV1 can be very uncomfortable, which limits you to about 15 minutes playing time, depending on your pain threshold. Some are better than others. My vari-focal pair aren't too bad, but none of my plain lens glasses fit properly inside the CV1.
The controls are very awkward to use. Basic things are OK, but you can't use the mouse anymore, so a lot of simple things, like the galaxy map, become complicated.
The position of the info panels is terrible. You have to look behind you to check your contacts or to target modules, which is not very good while you're trying to shoot somebody. This is the main reason that I decided to put it away. I have an arthritic neck, so I can't last a session doing that.
Finally, you can't watch TV while playing ED, so long trips become very boring.
I'm not a hater. I've done everything I can to support VR and I hope to use it in the future, but, for me, it falls short at the moment.
The resolution is still not good enough, especially when you compare with a maxed out 4k monitor. I couldn't identify ships until they were pretty close. If you have vari-focal glasses, most of the view is out of focus.
If you wear spectacles, the CV1 can be very uncomfortable, which limits you to about 15 minutes playing time, depending on your pain threshold. Some are better than others. My vari-focal pair aren't too bad, but none of my plain lens glasses fit properly inside the CV1.
The controls are very awkward to use. Basic things are OK, but you can't use the mouse anymore, so a lot of simple things, like the galaxy map, become complicated.
The position of the info panels is terrible. You have to look behind you to check your contacts or to target modules, which is not very good while you're trying to shoot somebody. This is the main reason that I decided to put it away. I have an arthritic neck, so I can't last a session doing that.
Finally, you can't watch TV while playing ED, so long trips become very boring.
I'm not a hater. I've done everything I can to support VR and I hope to use it in the future, but, for me, it falls short at the moment.
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I just got Pimax 4K (gearbest.com had them last week for £239) but I'm waiting to be impressed with it. The software is absolutely awful, and its gonna take some research time in forums to get this thing working well no doubt. The price was right, but its not performing particularly well at all. My GFX card (3GB AMD Radeon R9 280X) is minimum spec for VR so that probably doesn't help. Don't buy one of these unless you enjoy the challenge of tweaking tech - its certainly not a plug and play experience so far.
Just on this point, have you tried upping the HMD as far as you can and lowering other settings, I switch AA off, SS down to .85(ish), switch bloom and blur off and lower texture quality and shadows, fair warning though, I don't suffer from VR sickness at all so if a few frames are dropped I don't really notice but it really does increase the resolution for me putting HMD Quality to 2.0.
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VR still has a way to go and most of that is down to the ability of graphics cards to render 2 high end (4k) displays at once at 90 FPS and calculating the offset for each eye. Right now there's no way it'll match a 4K monitor for detail but with a bit of tweaking it can be reasonable.
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Yup, been across the galaxy multiple times in VR over 2 years, not even the slightest hint that the experience is getting old, am in awe every time I play this game.
In contrast, I lasted 3 days on the xbox, reached an Asp and then wiped and sold the xbox. It's crazy how different the experience is, can fly to Colonia in a T9 no problem in VR, could barely bring myself to fly my Asp back from Sothis on the Xbox
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Minimum 2.0 HMD quality is a must in my opinion.
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I have no problems reading text, supersampling makes it sharper, but it takes quite a performance hit. What helped for me was adjusting rift a bit better (and yes i thought i had adjusted it good enough before that), disabling antialiasing and toning down hud brightness a bit.
Not too much, for the most part 2 years worth of tax returns was enough to pay for most of it all
I think that's a dodgy thing to suggest. Setting HMD Quality to 2.0 is a massive ask for most rigs and you'll get people running at low FPS and then feeling sick. I'm using HMD Quality at 1.25 and it's fine. Sorry but no way is 2.0 a minimum, it really isn't (IMHO).
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I've got a lot of VR games, ED and pcars are the best things in VR, arguably ED is the best. Can't wait to get my 1080ti. ED deserves a lot of credit for its VR implementation on the Rift.
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I much prefer the CV1 to be honest, and I wear glasses. It is a bit uncomfortable, but it never actually hurts. I play for hours with it.
Also when Identifying ships, I would say that we identify them at roughly the same time. Remember everything is far smaller on a monitor, so when I am seeing something in VR it is much bigger, but I can see the pixels and it isn't that sharp, on your monitor, it will be tiny, and you still wouldn't be able to see what the ship is. Could be worth testing to see what distance you can tell what ship it is in VR and with your monitor. My guess it will be roughly equal.
Galaxy map is easy to use with my hotas. Infact I am generally faster using it then I am with my mouse now. You just need to get used to it.
Not to sure how your HMD set up is like, but I have never ever had to look behind me to look at any of the menus. They are just to my right and left. Maybe look at your setup a bit.
If you have bifocals or verifocals then yep, that will be an issue. I am getting that way at the moment. I am short sighted and now slowly becoming long sighted the older I get. Oh the joys of age. I also suspect I will get an arthiritic neck at some point as well, due to all the head banging I did in my youth.
Haha yeah. Logged in a while back in 2d, I only lasted going from the station to planetside, 2d is REALLY depressing after vr... though the field of view is a lot better (and the cockpit is WAY smaller in 2d, except on small ships like eagle, sidewinder srv.. where the cockpit actually feels bigger in 2d).
As for checking webpages for info and whatnot, you can (or at least I can) peek through a narrow sliver around your nose if you tilt your head up a bit, and multiple hyperjumps is generally not a problem even after more than 6 months of playing... though I do sometimes listen to audiobooks on long trips.
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Sadly very much true.
BUT
Dirt Rally is as complete an experience and as near perfect as ED, any day. DR in VR is that good especially when you have the toys.
Project Cars, AC, the Truck Simulator games are getting there too.
@Mendaharin Tusca - You could give VR dashboard a try, I haven't managed to test it yet. https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/309080-The-VR-Dashboard-quot-V-quot-is-now-in-Open-Beta!
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It made the biggest difference for me but then 1080 GTX so we can't expect all rigs to be up to running it and this is very much down to personal taste.
My current settings (as I said I don't suffer from VR vom at all so that will come into play for some as I do drop frames - still playing with settings as well)
Always the games that put you inside a vehicle that work best with VR, actually quite worried about space legs.
I would but for 2 reasons.
1. "V" currently only supports the Rift, and I am a viver, there is supposedly another dashboard but reason 2 still apply.
2. Can't really spare the fps, at the settings I use the game is just barely playable without judder. Upgrade is still in the "hmm and hawww" stage.
I hear they are looking at releasing a Fallout 4 VR ( official ) and X-Rebirth VR Editiion. so the future is a little brighter.
Most defintely Alec, I couldn't run 2.0 HMD on my 1070, with a 1080 overclocked it runs very well, have heard the 2.3 patch also offers a boost for users with lower end hardware.
I used to run ED on the ED presets, with the 1080 I now run everything on Ultra except for a few settings like ambient occlusion, the difference is like night and day, I couldn't turn the settings back down.
Ok, so i bought a Rift purely for ED as i play nowt else (Until Fary Cry 5 comes out).
I think i have come into VR from the wrong direction, i have come from a 40" Phillips 4k monitor run by a EVGA 1080. I also run a second screen and indeed a second PC to allow me to run 3rd party Apps tied to ED and the likes of Inara, eddb on the scond PC. So i have in effect 3 screens, but the game is played on the 4k 40" Phillips.
So coming down to the resolution of the Rift has been a big downer for me, whilst the experience and immersion IS THE WAY for this game to be played, the resolution has spoilt it for me so much so my Rift is for sale (2 weeks old) so anyone wants a practically brand new Rift with 2 years warranty on it PM ME NOW before it goes on the bay this weekend. (UK mainland only for postage).
I also miss the fact the other screens, and i know about the screen inside the VR, but that is way to fiddly currently. Plus the absolutely stupid Galaxy and System map, typing a star system name into the search bar is like squint thro a small gap in the nose area experience.
VR IS THE WAY TO GO for ED, not doubting that, but IMHO, not with the first Generation VR. This is my opinion and i know countless others enjoy the current VR experience, their help and guidance to me in the setup days of the rift was invaluable.
I will revisit VR but maybe in CV2 or CV3
I think i have come into VR from the wrong direction, i have come from a 40" Phillips 4k monitor run by a EVGA 1080. I also run a second screen and indeed a second PC to allow me to run 3rd party Apps tied to ED and the likes of Inara, eddb on the scond PC. So i have in effect 3 screens, but the game is played on the 4k 40" Phillips.
So coming down to the resolution of the Rift has been a big downer for me, whilst the experience and immersion IS THE WAY for this game to be played, the resolution has spoilt it for me so much so my Rift is for sale (2 weeks old) so anyone wants a practically brand new Rift with 2 years warranty on it PM ME NOW before it goes on the bay this weekend. (UK mainland only for postage).
I also miss the fact the other screens, and i know about the screen inside the VR, but that is way to fiddly currently. Plus the absolutely stupid Galaxy and System map, typing a star system name into the search bar is like squint thro a small gap in the nose area experience.
VR IS THE WAY TO GO for ED, not doubting that, but IMHO, not with the first Generation VR. This is my opinion and i know countless others enjoy the current VR experience, their help and guidance to me in the setup days of the rift was invaluable.
I will revisit VR but maybe in CV2 or CV3
Have noticed over the years that some people struggle with the Galaxy map, it really is down to how you configure the controller setup. I use a combination of HOTAS and Voice attack, most of plotting is now completely automated.
It is strange how experiences differ, I also came from a triple large screen setups with trackIR. The big screen setup just seems substandard for me, perhaps I would think differently if i had played ED for a year or so on that setup, I only spent about a month with ED on standard screens.
One thing I can say for sure, it took a lot of money, tweaking and high end gear to get to a point where I was happy with VR. Even with all that, I still feel like I saved a huge amount of cash, it was costing me a lot upgrading those triple screens every year, I was known amongst my mates for giving away my old LCD/LED TV's.
Before VR came along I was contemplating triple projectors with fresnel lenses, would have cost me a fortune and nowhere near as immersive.
Putting all that aside, the main thing is that you have are happy with what you have, plus you'll get a nice cash injection from the sale of that HMD
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