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Better than the spaceship flying bit?
My issues with ED:O FPS gameplay
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The spaceship flying bit I enjoy most is just the exploration and actually-galactic scale of everything. I'm not really in it for the flight sim bits and have never enjoyed the space combat all that much. I'd probably enjoy spaceship combat at planetary low altitude but it currently feels the same to me.
All this is sacrilege I know!
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Fair enough, but taking your previous statement quite literally, would you say you prefer the on-foot stuff over the above, or did you mean it's the best thing about Odyssey (which I could probably agree with)?
I would just find it slightly odd in a game that is primarily about space ship flying, however maybe you've had your Eureka moment and should really look more into stealth/FPS type games... it might blow your mind what's possible in that genre these days!
Hitman 2, although (surprisingly for Steam) it's not on sale right now.
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I used to play that on the PS3, great game.
Last night (and sorry for bringing this up constantly) I spent about an hour in CP2077 completing a mission where I had to infiltrate an enemy complex. First time I did it I got caught and it turned into a massive shootout. Last night I didn't fire a single bullet and got by mostly by sneaking around and strangling a couple of NPCs (where there were dozens of them patrolling the place), and the enemy didn't even get to set off the alarm. Not a dedicated stealth game either, for the record.
I like that idea (although don't you find that they tend to skulk around outside the door for a bit, and you often have to sidle out to take a shot?), but despite the reasoned argument that the shotgun's pellets do individual damage and so will usually take out shields and body in one go, I'm rarely that lucky, or I would consider taking a walk around a settlement with a Tormentor/Intimidator**/Executioner combo, before switching to the Maverick.
It may be that I just don't aim well in an occasional panic (it would help if the dot in the screen was a little more pronounced*, because at the moment, it's quite hard to be sure you're centred on the body), but those pellets that miss the target make stealth difficult when they hit a wall.
*unless that's adjustable?
** Not 'Vindicator. At least I didn't say Violator...
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That's my loadout (except that both weapons are fully stealth modded, because I often pull out the wrong one).
I have occasionally walked up to an assassination mark, though, pulled out my G5 Tormentor, and shot him in the chest, only for him not to go down, so that I had to fire again. I'm not entirely clear whether this was because the mark was too tough, even without a shield, for that gun to finish the job, or if he was already shielded for some reason. I keep meaning to check future targets in advance, but when I remember to, I've never noticed a shield.
This is beside the point of guns that ignore shields, but I'm sure the answer is the same as for kinetic sniper rifles, that they would unbalance the game. I'm not even entirely sure that Elite has those kind of weapons. I might be thinking of the X series.
What makes me laugh is when someone calls Elite Dangerous: Odyssey a shooter, when it obviously isn't one.
This is not a dedicated FPS and is much more casual like the main game is. I don't want to be playing ARMA in space thanks.
Get a plasma weapon then. No need to swap. Swapping weapons is effectively a skill in itself. I'm no good, so I use plasma weapons. I like the differences.
Really? Just like the base game, engineering is purely optional.
Seem pretty good to me.
Again, seems fine to me.
I love it. Again, this is a other skill you will have to learn.
Meh, they could be better, but it's not a deal breaker. They work good enough for me.
I haven't noticed and don't really care.
Maybe. Again not bothered either way.
More weapons would be nice.
Again, that would be nice, but not a deal breaker.
Again would be nice.
Elite isn't a dedicated PvP game, so no big deal.
No, I like the small squirmeshes. Any bigger and a proper army would be involved and wouldn't be. Some more areas for these skirmishes would be great though. Like some pirate outposts, some in space areas etc.
Regen times need to be longer.
Not interested.
No interested.
Not a big deal.
Not sure why holding your breath would reduce weapons sway.
Yup, that would be cool.
Not bothered.
That would be nice, but the game needs a much bigger and better NPC system anyway.
Yup
Why? I'm assuming they get injected by your suit.
Would be nice.
They are not needed. The FPS gameplay does not need to be elevated to dedicated FPS ranks as EDO isn't a dedicated FPS game. First person shooting is just one of the many things you can do in the game.
Many of your responses imply you aren't a big FPS player, fair enough. All I ask is that if you aren't interested in shooters at least hear out the people that do really care about that side of the game as much as I would hear out the nerds that are really interested in trading gameplay or BGS gameplay (no offense BGS nerds).
But what I cannot understand is why many people, like yourself, strive for this game to achieve the bare minimum in the features it implements, regardless of whether you are interested in those features or not.
Elite is a Space sim, not a space flight sim. What that means is that it should be as much a space shooter as it should be a spaceship game as it should be a space exploration game or a space trading game. The boundary of the genre is that it is set in space, not that it's limited to a cockpit. No excuses for a poor space shooter as that is well within the boundary for the game's genre.
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Yeah, I dunno. I'm probably in the category of people who were big fans of Elite when they were kids (in my case 12 years-old) and into it because it was like Traveler and Star Wars and because there was no other game like it. I only really enjoyed other simulators because I liked 3D graphics and not because I wanted to to know how an F-16 worked.
And I suppose you could say that, design-wise, something like GTA is a natural successor to Elite, giving you a world to play about in doing different tasks. And I'd rather be playing GTA than MS Flight Simulator. So, yes the original Elite was about flying spaceships, but it wasn't the flying spaceships part that made it special.
I actually sent in a design to Acorn about how I'd do Elite with you going down to planets and getting out of your ship! Glad to see they finally implemented it. I'm surprised they could read my crayon scrawl.
A lot of these are things that I've come to have issues with myself.
The game isn't consistent with the thought that the devs intentionally designed it to be bullet spongey. Most shooters that are designed like this such as Overwatch usually have regenerative ammo or unlimited ammo and large magazine sizes as they have thought about the high ammo usage. Elite doesn't do this and has designed ammo usage like it's a more realistic shooter. Either Fdev intentionally designed it to be bullet spongey like Overwatch, but didn't have the foresight to see the conflict in game design or they unintentionally made it bullet spongey due to bad game design. Either way it's makes for a poor FPS experience.
Most death match style games don't have instant respawn, you normally respawn at the start of the next round. Elite respawns in CZ's are still faster than most mil-sims and are fine tbh.
This sadly isn't the case. I love space sims, I love FPS games. Theoretically ED:O should've hit the nail on the head. The issue is that it hasn't even got the basics of a shooter in place. It falls so far behind on the basics that I can't even subjectively "nit-pick" the gameplay, like I can with most other shooters.
It's a space sim game. It should be as much a space shooter as it should be a space trading or space exploration game. I don't hear anyone on the forums being fine with bad space exploration gameplay because it "technically" isn't a space exploration game.
"Exobiology is fine because Elite isn't a plant game."
"Powerplay is fine because Elite isn't a politics game."
"Mining is fine because Elite isn't a mining game"
Etc
"X feature is fine because Elite isn't an X game it's a Y game"
(X = a feature you don't care about, Y = a feature you do care about)
I never said I wasn't a big fan of shooter, but EDO is not a shooter and shouldn't be compared to one either.
I also don't see elite as a space sim or space ship sim.
I also don't strive for it to be the bare minimum in its features either. I just don't see some of what you want as being that important. I've played dedicated shooters that are worse then what we have in Odyssey.
On the whole, I like the design of odyssey. Sure, it's not perfect, it can be improved upon, but what I want improved may not necessarily be what you want improved.
I'm not looking for ARMA in space, I just want something fun, and I have that. Could it be more fun, sure it can, and I've voiced my opinions on how it could be better. And not all of the improvements are based around combat.
You are going to run into a lot of your opinion is null and void if it is not what I want on this forum. Especially around space leg, ship interiors, or anything outside of the basic gameplay we had in Horizons or screen shot generation. Good luck and o7. But yeah the shooter portion is not good at all especially with the rock, paper, scissors nature of the combat and the half hearted implementation of what I think may have been their attempt at a military Arma style gameplay.
Not sure I want more pvp centric changes, but...
More variety in the ground action would be nice.
Some of the engineering is quite grindy. You actually get nothing for it from the ground CZs.
I find that the weapon swap isn't really that big a deal once you have level 3. I find I can take shields and kill an NPC with just the laser gun at level 3. Sure it isn't one shot, more like 3.
More variety in the ground action would be nice.
Some of the engineering is quite grindy. You actually get nothing for it from the ground CZs.
I find that the weapon swap isn't really that big a deal once you have level 3. I find I can take shields and kill an NPC with just the laser gun at level 3. Sure it isn't one shot, more like 3.
THIS, they reinvented the wheel into a square haha
Well said
The idea to give weapons a specific purpose is not bad per se, as Doom Eternal successfully demonstrates. The difference to EDO is DE has a better variety of enemy types, with specific weak points on larger enemies (, but also no magazines). That way, due the combination of different enemies, fights are way more varied and interesting. But since EDO went for a more grounded approach, which makes sense within the established game world, it does not fit well with those bullet spongy enemies. This problem was even apparent in "The Division" games, even though they were specifically built as (A)RPG games. Being cover based shooters, it is not that problematic, that it takes multiple magazines to kill enemies.
In EDO this is not the case, it is a weird hybrid, that was obviously derived from the ship combat mechanics. And those already became pretty unbalanced and bullet spongy. Now the FPS gun mechanics multiply the underlying issue,as the guns themselves don't make sense within the established game world, as they become only useful when engineered.
Therefore I think the TTK is the critical point here, which FDev probably chose to be rather high, because they could not find another way to make related Engineering relevant. Which I cannot comprehend, since they (should) have a lots of metrics from ship combat by now. Why did they once again based the combat related numbers around pure power creep from Engineers, instead of just variations? Like long range mods decreases magazine size or reduces fire rate to semi auto.
Why? What are the most fleshed out mechanics in EDO?
I love the sound of kinetic rounds bouncing off my shield as I loot a locker.
Sounds like... victory.