My open letter to Fdev

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Dignity? Juvenile? Mistakes? You do know this is a game right it's all juvenile, there are no mistakes, and dignity went out the window the moment you made a character (dignity in the game world is about as real as this cheesecake here).

What you all fail to understand is every post about being upset or telling the 13th to get lost is just fodder for future actions.

Lovely. Keep up the spirit - Let's take some more quotes - i prefer made up delusions to justify a move. Makes it all true. And also does a lot for explaining the blatant disregard for other peoples game-time. Please do disregard my point where i noted that there are people around that take a small part of an argument in an attempt to devalue the whole thing. And also the fact that it could even be done while actually making an effort with your argument (the "it's a game" excuse for a post meant to boost the epeen of the op outside of the game, really?).

What you fail to understand is that this is not about the 13th and their wet dreams, but rather about their ingenious way of making a name of themselves and then claiming it was a legit way to point out problems - rather than an excuse to mess with easy targets.
They are and will always be as important as anyone in this game...and that seems to be an issue.

Thanks. You were here to prove something else?
 
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I am surprised there's still people defending frontier on this. 45+ pages and not even any acknowledgement nor discussions with any dev.Some even claim the 13Th legion is not representative of the empire , i disagree. I am not part of this player group but if grind rank i empire navy i get titles like knigh baron , prince etc... Seems those title are big and official enough, those are even mandatory to pilot some ships.Powerplay faction are federation or empire aligned too. So a CG plot threaten the empire space, its only natural empire players look for a way to counter it . They did so playing the game fair and square...
It only show players have absolutely no say in the way the universe is shaping.No emerging gameplay is possible no fun is allowed. Not so surprising i think the guy in charge of last updates has an unhealthy love for big exel spreadsheet but not so much about gaming.
 
Dignity? Juvenile? Mistakes? You do know this is a game right it's all juvenile, there are no mistakes, and dignity went out the window the moment you made a character (dignity in the game world is about as real as this cheesecake here).

What you all fail to understand is every post about being upset or telling the 13th to get lost is just fodder for future actions.

Agreed. The more these guys squeak, the more the bullies are going to want to torment them just to hear the delicious sounds of their squeaking...it's a vicious cycle, really. I'd also note that the gentleman you're quoting, as well as many other posters on this thread, are every bit as lacking in dignity and maturity as the OP. Arguably much more so IMO. At least the OP had a great RP reason for his actions--the people yelling about his villainous behavior aren't pretending:)
 
Below is an open letter sent to Fdev via opening a ticket...

Greetings Fdev,


This message is to address the currentCG in Sagevon system. I am a ranking member of the Empire's 13thLegion. Over the last 4+ days we had a mission to blockade the CGthat is clearly a Federation attempt to take control of the Meropeand surrounding systems. Unfortunately, you have created a game wherehuge player groups such as Mobius (being the biggest) can partake inthe CG in private or solo with virtually no resistance other than anoccasional weak NPC interdiction, which is a joke. As such, PowerPlay is broke, as there is no real way to properly defend against theFederation, who you seem to favor in just about any CG.


So this last 4 days, we used ourgranted access to Mobius private group to blockade ONLY theSagevon system in both Mobius groups andin Open play. Our intent was not to “club baby seals” but toappose the CG in a role play capacity. Despite what some may claim,we always declared our intentions as enforcing a blockade andallowing them to high wake. Most ignored us and were promptlydestroyed. After dealing with multiple combat logs by Mobius CMDRsand them declaring they would continue in Solo, and after giving verypublic notice in Redit, and further monitoring Mobius's forums (whichare open for all to see) we began to give them a little less time tocomply. Further with the starport being a very short 21LS from thesun it meant there just wasn't much time for us to wait for theircompliance. I assure you that had the station been further from thestar, we would have given them much more time and leaniancy, but wehad to make sure that the CG was effectively blockaded and many CMDRsin both open and Mobius were destroyed.


Now in contrast to other player groups,we actually don't find killing Mobius overly challenging, especiallywhen most of mobius was trading in Cutters and Condas with basicshields and nothing but mines for weapons. (Which just proves howpathetic the AI is at countering the CG or pirating). The solepurpose was to not allow the largest private group in the game toinfluence the CG without resistance. The orders were for our groupthat if you were kicked out of the group by Mobius, to NOT attempt togain access again, as that would breach your EULA. We simply wouldthen continue the blockade in Open play.


These actions simply go to protest howprivate play and solo can affect Power Play as a whole since there isno real way to counter it effectively. We do not care if othersprefer to play in private or solo, so long as their actions do notaffect the rest of the players. Which is why being in private or soloshould not be allowed to participate in a CG or Power Play. Itssimple common sense and logic here.


By Sunday (USA time) the CG went intolock down and you (Fdev) voted to remove the hard work that Empirealigned players put into the game. By doing so you have set aprecedent and basically told the community that there is no point inopposing a CG from now on as you will just eliminate that action witha keystroke. I don't know if you entirely understand the can ofworms you have opened with this action. Power play groups (especiallyEmpire aligned) are asking themselves why bother with the CG that isalso related to power play such as the current one since it isbasically a predetermined outcome by Fdev who will simplyalter/change any effect created by groups like ours.


Even outside the current CG as far asPower Play goes, by allowing CMDRs to participate in Power play inprivate and solo, you have created a situation where opposing them isimpossible. The entire premise is just flat out stupid frankly. Youknow, if you were to turn off CG's and PP in private and solo, thosepeople who played there would complain for about a few weeks. Thenthey would get over it and realize open isn't that bad. Especially ifopen got a huge influx of pacifists such as Mobius, as the ratiowould change dramatically. Everyone would still be able to play asthey wish, and simply understanding the dangers of going to a CGwhere you can bet there will be some opposition, can help them decideif they want to partake in it or not, AND if they do, simply readytheir ship defend itself a bit, or maybe wing up (strength innumbers) or even align with PvP groups to provide protection. Case inpoint at the last CG to build an imperial Cruiser, Several groupsincluding the Empire's 13th Legion provided protection forthe traders doing the CG. This adds so much more dimension to thegame, as well as posibilites.


I strongly recommend that you changethe way that Private and Solo play effect everyone. Mobius oftencomplains that they just want to play it their way withoutinterference from others in a strictly PvE mode. Unfortunately theway you have created the game makes it so that Mobius CMDRs influenceEVERYONE when the participate in CG's and Power play, which is unfairand wrong. Mobius fails to see that there are two sides to the coinhere because they simply seem to lack logic, or just can't see pastthemselves.




Regards,


CMDR BKRambo
Centurion of The Empire's 13thLegion

You are as bad as SDC ,i see there is a double standard ,around here what a worthless community
 
Agreed. The more these guys squeak, the more the bullies are going to want to torment them just to hear the delicious sounds of their squeaking...it's a vicious cycle, really. I'd also note that the gentleman you're quoting, as well as many other posters on this thread, are every bit as lacking in dignity and maturity as the OP. Arguably much more so IMO. At least the OP had a great RP reason for his actions--the people yelling about his villainous behavior aren't pretending:)

Dear Sir. Thank you very much for enforcing what i just so recently posted about. Oh the irony. Is this on hidden cam?
I do 'squeak' for nothing but your and other peoples delight and my post had nothing whatsoever to do with laughing at..well.. a group of people you just so eagerly joined. I do take it you did read the op and have determined the amount of epeen waving and chest thumping to be equal to mine? Which in itself makes me giddy with happiness. It was rather easy for you to determine that my lack of dignity and maturity is equal to the op? Which in itself might just shed a certain light on the quality of your evaluation skills. Role-play reasons is what you quote, stunning me with disbelieve - and i earnestly don't know if i should point you to my earlier post or explain the (in my eyes fully known) error of this statement. It is actually pretty insulting to anyone that read the op text but it might work to win a selective argument (huh.. so.. do i take this seriously or just dismiss as ? where's the rule to that? does common sense get put on hold if you sign up for a computer game?) I do so long to join the club of selective arguments where you pick 2% of what is being said and form it into something that works with whatever brilliant thought you had at the moment - can you point me to a good tutor?

..for all it's worth i really don't know if i have to point out the obvious.. i seriously don't know what i'm dealing with here.. do people read and comprehend only 2 sentences of a post and then go ..nuts?

To close, i'm also rather sorry (really) that my lack of tolerating ignorance and plain dumb behavior makes you question my dignity. I assure you, nothing could be farther from ...anything of value for a constructive discussion of the matter at hand.

Thanks for the evenings entertainment, and yeah i am aware of being salty and uneccesarily aggresive .. but i just cant stand this dumb s....t anymore
 
Dear Sir. Thank you very much for enforcing what i just so recently posted about. Oh the irony. Is this on hidden cam?
I do 'squeak' for nothing but your and other peoples delight and my post had nothing whatsoever to do with laughing at..well.. a group of people you just so eagerly joined. I do take it you did read the op and have determined the amount of epeen waving and chest thumping to be equal to mine? Which in itself makes me giddy with happiness. It was rather easy for you to determine that my lack of dignity and maturity is equal to the op? Which in itself might just shed a certain light on the quality of your evaluation skills. Role-play reasons is what you quote, stunning me with disbelieve - and i earnestly don't know if i should point you to my earlier post or explain the (in my eyes fully known) error of this statement. It is actually pretty insulting to anyone that read the op text but it might work to win a selective argument (huh.. so.. do i take this seriously or just dismiss as ? where's the rule to that? does common sense get put on hold if you sign up for a computer game?) I do so long to join the club of selective arguments where you pick 2% of what is being said and form it into something that works with whatever brilliant thought you had at the moment - can you point me to a good tutor?

..for all it's worth i really don't know if i have to point out the obvious.. i seriously don't know what i'm dealing with here.. do people read and comprehend only 2 sentences of a post and then go ..nuts?

To close, i'm also rather sorry (really) that my lack of tolerating ignorance and plain dumb behavior makes you question my dignity. I assure you, nothing could be farther from ...anything of value for a constructive discussion of the matter at hand.

Thanks for the evenings entertainment, and yeah i am aware of being salty and uneccesarily aggresive .. but i just cant stand this dumb s....t anymore

Sorry, I don't have the time to decode your post here. Your post(s) reads like someone whipped up a bunch of scrambled eggs and covered them with a dollop of scorn, sarcasm and condescension. I gathered that you think I "eagerly joined the OP's group." I think. It's hard to tell through so much snark and sarcasm. If you are saying that, then nothing could be further from the truth; I would never pull a stunt like invading Mobius (a group of which I'm happily a member) to destroy a bunch of traders. I think it's a low blow, and personally beneath me...on the other hand, as much as I detest the mouth breathing antics (in general) of the average "avid" PvPer....I hate grown men acting like vajina's even more. Like, a lot more. I'm not condoning the 13th Legion's actions so much as I'm thinking the proper response to it would be action, not tears and shaken fists and the gnashing of teeth. And oh dear nine pound 3 ounce baby jesus has there been a lot of tears, shaken fists and gnashing teeth on this thread.

The reality is that some (a lot) of you guys are wildly overreacting, giving the OP and his group exactly what they want; 46+ pages of salt. Oh, what I'd give for a thread detailing how all you PvEers and PGers were going to actually get even.

That would be the day:)
 
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Get even? Why would anyone bother? Let them continue delivering the delicious, hot, buttered lulz.

Because that is the track record of what follows next: In 'protest' people will wreck the BGS of the faction involved, which is odd seen as these guys don't have a BGS to attack.


it doesnt matter that your opponent doesn't care about the BGS, or in this case, even have a bgs to care about. Righteous fury be damned to thesee reasonable arguments
 
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That's a good question, which you should ask Mobius himself. Why should Mobius advertise his group as PvE and then let anyone in without asking whether they agree to not shoot other players outside of CZs.


Because when you join you do agree to not shoot other players...
 
Because when you join you do agree to not shoot other players...

I neither saw, nor agreed to any terms to play in Mobius. I simply searched for the group, requested a join, and was accepted. FYI, CMDR name is and has been readilly available on Inara. 2 minutes of research and your admin could have figured it out.
 
Looks like the pve'rs aren't getting that.
It's all
Muh ships
Muh feels
Muh pacifism
Muh game breaking immunity


PVE isn't pacifism... and you forgot the main one.. "Waaaaaahhh your breaking my game because I can't kill you because you're in a different mode than open. " Because litterally that is what this stupid argument here and SOG thread are about.

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I truly agree with OP.

FDev - please fix game mode mechanics. Your current solution is dividing players and community becomes toxic.

My proposition is:
- One mode for all.
- In the bubble You could create a safe areas with very strong and fast security response where PvP could be impossible. Security response could be so strong as station response - run or die. In this location players who are like to flight in solo or just dont want pvp could play safely. And this will not break an immersion, because this will not be pvp toggle option, it will be just in-game regulation, and attacking other players will end by a rebuy for attacker. PvP bad boys born under the dark star will just be play in other places.
- CG both, in and outside the safe zones, for less and more experienced players
- a safe zone (high security systems, or sectors) could be good indicated to make sure everyone know is leaving safe zone

There is a hell of star systems. if someone dont want play with others - galaxy is big and the habitated bubble is big. If someone dont want pvp - then safe areas (large numbers, sectors - just idea to develop) will be for him. If someone will want 'more danger' then he can just leave safe area and fly in a places when Police will not be so strong.

This will be constant solution what can please the most (of course not all, there will be in five microseconds few guys who dont want because they want iWin or something, or they think they can do everything because they just born, but this is a promile) of community.


Sooo you want Eve with a cockpit, not Elite Dangerous.
 
There is no "official" entity, as far as I know, that represents the Empire, or the Federation or the Alliance for that matter. So, anybody is free to declare whatever they want. It's the player base that ultimately decides whether someone has legitimacy or not. Pretending his group can't represent the Empire is therefore, in my opinion, a moot point.

If nobody decides to do something in the name of a super power, who will? Blaze your own trail... and lets the people decides. If his group is irrelevant, it will be forgotten and eventually disappear.


So how many capital ships do you have?
 
I neither saw, nor agreed to any terms to play in Mobius. I simply searched for the group, requested a join, and was accepted. FYI, CMDR name is and has been readilly available on Inara. 2 minutes of research and your admin could have figured it out.
Be honest. Would you have respected it if you had? All I've really gotten out of this is the days where you could expect people to abide by an honor system have long since past.
 
I neither saw, nor agreed to any terms to play in Mobius. I simply searched for the group, requested a join, and was accepted.

Can you folks stop being purposely obtuse **** for like just one second? YOU KNOW what Mobius was about, that's why you went there. Period.

Agreeing or not with the concept of PGs/Mobius, BGS/CGS/whatevertheF is one thing and perhaps worthy of adult discussion and action.

Pretending that you didn't know otherwise is just as ridiculous as everyone else has beforehand.
 
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Well, then, if Frontier is controlling the Empire, they're doing a very lousy job. This CG to expand the Federation in Merope would have been opposed by any sane Empire high command, so that's why I'm suggesting that if Frontier is controlling the Empire, they're not very good at it. Actually, if they had thought about it a bit, they would have created another CG to oppose this expansion. Same thing that is happening in the South China Sea, where China is trying to expand and turn international waters into his own territory.

Put yourself into our own shoes. How would you feel if the Empire was invading a neutral system with some rare resources and declares it its own?

It's a lore in a game, so what? Unlike china, FDev actually own their game, and if tomorrow they announced that the Empire turned out to be under secret control of Thargoids, then it's their right to do so...

And like any human invented lore, not all subjects and objects inside of them are going to receive perfectly equal treatment, or otherwise the stories would never complete, Frodo and Sam would argue forever on who's going to carry the ring.
 
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Really this all stems from the screw-up over a Offline mode for this game. As originally anticipated, the game should have only two modes. Online, or Offline (which could be multiplayer).

I don't think this has anything to do with "Offline" mode.

This is about two groups: one that is a Private Pve group with rules, and one that believes (falsely I think) that the other group is unfairly influencing the CG, therefore justifying invading said PvE group to blockade other members. Which breaks the rules of the group that they joined.

There was never a 'screwup" over offline mode. It simply became obvious that it could not be done.
There can be no dynamic changing galaxy or BGS without the need for being connected to an external central server.
Not to mention the humongous size of DLing the entire Milky Way.
You got a Netflix Open Connect Appliance at home? You know, the one with 100 Terabyte capacity?

Multiplayer offline mode? Really? Like a LAN party?
MMOs by nature have to be online to provide a common universe for its players. I don't know any offline multiplayer games.

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I think everyone above is wrong, the sky is pink and I am a good pilot.
I just knew I should have never sold you that Ethgrezian Bud!
 
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i guess if they kept the private servers different from the open servers like how warcraft does it with the pvp, pve, rppvp, rppve, servers everyone would be happy and the players that want to play in a "safe zone" where they have no fear of being attacked they could have it. this way people cant just go to solo to do a CG and influence open play.

personally i cant believe there is gaming "safe zones" esp in a MMO. its like telling cod players that this server is a safe zone where we talk about our feelings and no one gets killed.
 
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