My open letter to Fdev

[Deleted member 110222]

Frontier have listen to players in the past an change their game, the return of the dumb, shooting fish in a barrel AI is one such change, adding tips to where to find resources, adding favours to engineers. I think even bookmarks on the galaxy map was something Frontier added because players asked for it.

If players ask for stuff like community goals to be made available only to people who want to play with the whole community then with enough persistence and a loud enough voice we have a fairly good chance to make Frontier listen to us.

CG's been locked from Solo/Open won't happen as it breaks FD's initial promise that all modes will be equal.

That could be grounds for refunds. And if that happens... Bye bye ED.

 

[Ian Skippy]

FD didnt say they dont allow people to change the outcome. As a matter of fact, a large storyline they had planned was cancelled when the community massively backed the Empire against Empire's Dawn. They could have just weasled themselves out, but instead stuck with what the community had decided. What happened with the 13th legion is different: the point of CGs is that individual commanders can contribute in the mode of their choice, regardless of what other people may think of that mode. Using the BGS to lock the CG was inventive, but obviously against the spirit of the CG concept. Shooting cmdrs in Mobius was not inventive but just plain pathetic. You want to blockade a CG? Too bad, you cant. You dont like that? Too bad as well. What the OP, Goose, 13th Legion, SDC and all those 'emergent content' people want is simply, 100% flat-out not what FD wants ED to be: a game where a small but dedicated group of players can troll others deliver emergent content.

In this case there should have been an opposing CG, and its frankly quite bizarre why there is none.

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CG's been locked from Solo/Open won't happen as it breaks FD's initial promise that all modes will be equal.

That could be grounds for refunds. And if that happens... Bye bye ED.

No it doesnt, and there have been open-only CGs IIRC.

 

[VR Morgan Grimes]

People need to stop confusing community with open play, everybody who plays is part of the community regardless of mode.

 

[Ian Skippy]

Another option could have been to shut this one down completely, with a compensation pay out in credit, announce the Feds/Empire are entering in to close negotiations and then waited until they figure out how they properly implement a way to tie together BGS and community goals so that both sides have a way of countering the influence of the BGS.

That would be a good solution IMHO. But having CGs operate outside the BGS and just having opposing CGs seems far simpler to me.

 

[Globusdiablo]

Official FDev response pre-dating your action:

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...update-Reiteration-of-player-harassment-rules



You specifically set out to engage in PvP in a non-PvP group. You set out to break that private groups rules. You are lucky to still have your accounts. Luckily FDev have yours now with proof from your own support ticket. Nice

Whether or not it's right is an entirely different discussion and best not done in a thread where your OP talks about you deliberately breaking the rules.

/thread

/thread.

 

[GG7]

There is NO DATA to BACK UP ANYTHING the OP is claiming.

Like all the other OPEN vs SOLO whiners out there, they are basing their motivation for their Crusade on nothing more than presumptions and imagined threats.

ALL of it is TOTALLY UNSUBSTANTIATED by FACTS!

But folks like this are always looking for a STRAW MAN that they can blame their own shortcomings on.

 

[Alex Brentnall]

/thread.

Hehe, I tried. Apparently not

 

[knowles2]

Because you represent the players right? We all agree with your point of view.

Frontier has set it up so that the players who are the loudest get their way. Because it seem the only time Frontier listens and generally cave in, is when players shout and scream and makes lots of noise on this forum.

No one represent the players, I certainly don't claim to represent anyone but myself and my own views

 

[Deleted member 110222]

OTH, this game is market as a multi-player openworld game, where the player's decisions matter.
If they only do matter when it befits Frontier, they might as well just forget about it.

FD owns the game.

So actually, yes. If they want certain things to happen with or without player input, they can make it so.

Don't like it? For several million pounds you can make the game yours. Of course a buyout isn't going to happen, and if it does, right now it would likely destroy FD, and the buyer's financial strengths.

Put simply, "Suck it up, buttercup."

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FD didnt say they dont allow people to change the outcome. As a matter of fact, a large storyline they had planned was cancelled when the community massively backed the Empire against Empire's Dawn. They could have just weasled themselves out, but instead stuck with what the community had decided. What happened with the 13th legion is different: the point of CGs is that individual commanders can contribute in the mode of their choice, regardless of what other people may think of that mode. Using the BGS to lock the CG was inventive, but obviously against the spirit of the CG concept. Shooting cmdrs in Mobius was not inventive but just plain pathetic. You want to blockade a CG? Too bad, you cant. You dont like that? Too bad as well. What the OP, Goose, 13th Legion, SDC and all those 'emergent content' people want is simply, 100% flat-out not what FD wants ED to be: a game where a small but dedicated group of players can troll others deliver emergent content.

In this case there should have been an opposing CG, and its frankly quite bizarre why there is none.

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No it doesnt, and there have been open-only CGs IIRC.

Source?

 

[H3lios]

They should have let this one go an allow the empire their victory. Then they should have suspended all new Empire vs Federation CGs until such time they implement a way for players to one combat people who are playing in Solo/Private group and who use BGS.

Another option could have been to shut this one down completely, with a compensation pay out in credit, announce the Feds/Empire are entering in to close negotiations and then waited until they figure out how they properly implement a way to tie together BGS and community goals so that both sides have a way of countering the influence of the BGS.

It wouldn't have made a difference. The Feds had already reached t1 goal, so the GC was considered successful and the expansion would move forward. t2 and beyond were just determining little extra things.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Frontier has set it up so that the players who are the loudest get their way. Because it seem the only time Frontier listens and generally cave in, is when players shout and scream and makes lots of noise on this forum.

No one represent the players, I certainly don't claim to represent anyone but myself and my own views

Right, so every time you bring your argument I'll be sure to counter it with enough persistence and a loud enough voice so we have a fairly good chance to make Frontier listen to us.

 

[Deleted member 110222]

Frontier has set it up so that the players who are the loudest get their way. Because it seem the only time Frontier listens and generally cave in, is when players shout and scream and makes lots of noise on this forum.

No one represent the players, I certainly don't claim to represent anyone but myself and my own views

Actually I think it's the numbers, which NONE OF US have access to, that is what FD listens too.

Speculation, of course, but I think the modes are equal because most players are a SILENT MAJORITY who play in Solo/PG. Ever thought of that very possible possibility?

 

[Ian Skippy]

Source?

Ugh, I have to crawl through all previous CGs, I'd rather not. In any case, the release of Elite came with a competition where you could earn $15.000. It was Open only: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/76535-Race-to-Elite-Competition

 

[Andovar]

No, but it affects everything else. In my opinion it was a poor design choice and I hope that it changes in the future.

Agreed, but I think most of us can agree that private and solo modes are never going to be removed, so they need to figure out a way to allow competition that doesn't require direct player interaction. ...sounds bizarre, I know, and no, I don't have a good idea for a fix either.

Realistically, this is just the way it is, and don't think we'll ever see the ability to effectively 'blockade' your opponents in ED.

 

[Jpotter]

Official FDev response pre-dating your action:

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...update-Reiteration-of-player-harassment-rules



You specifically set out to engage in PvP in a non-PvP group. You set out to break that private groups rules. You are lucky to still have your accounts. Luckily FDev have yours now with proof from your own support ticket. Nice

Whether or not it's right is an entirely different discussion and best not done in a thread where your OP talks about you deliberately breaking the rules.

/thread

You dropped that /thread a bit prematurely, get a bit excited huh? Relax a bit and read that post you referenced - the key bit is this right here:
"If a player has been blocked from a private group, or a group/individual has taken every step possible to remove a player from their gameplay, then attempting to circumvent this in any fashion is a serious offense and action will be taken accordingly."

^ so at no point did members of the 13th try to get back on the server after being removed. They asked to join the group - Mobius allowed; they didn't follow the rules, yes - but then they were removed. That was it. There is nothing bannable or harassing based on the very definition you posted. So yea... /not thread.

 

[Deleted member 110222]

Ugh, I have to crawl through all previous CGs, I'd rather not. In any case, the release of Elite came with a competition where you could earn $15.000. It was Open only: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/76535-Race-to-Elite-Competition

Which is a unique CG in that it offered a real world prize, making it totally different to CG's not offering real world prizes.

Please name one that didn't offer a real world prize, and was also Open only.

 

[Drelthar]

I personally agree with the OP.

But, I also entirely see the point of people wanting to play in solo/private, and still participate in such things.

The way to solve it is pretty simple. Always have an opposing side to every CG.

This doesn't 100% solve the problem, and I feel that it would be a vastly more dynamic and interesting game if the OP's concerns were more thouroughly investigated, but it would likely be the best possible compromise, which, unfortunately, the games design ultimately requires in almost every area.

 

[VR Morgan Grimes]

You dropped that /thread a bit prematurely, get a bit excited huh? Relax a bit and read that post you referenced - the key bit is this right here:
"If a player has been blocked from a private group, or a group/individual has taken every step possible to remove a player from their gameplay, then attempting to circumvent this in any fashion is a serious offense and action will be taken accordingly."

^ so at no point did members of the 13th try to get back on the server after being removed. They asked to join the group - Mobius allowed; they didn't follow the rules, yes - but then they were removed. That was it. There is nothing bannable or harassing based on the very definition you posted. So yea... /not thread.

Nope, Mobius has taken steps to remove PvP from their game, so just joining and performing PvP outside of combat zones is specifically covered.

 

[Jpotter]

/thread.

OMG you dropped the /thread as well - HOW EMBARASSING!!! lmao.

 

[Privata]

They already did it and their leader (according to his own post) was already banned by FD for doing it. It does not seem that FD somehow liked or admired what those boys did in Moebius group.

Trying to stop the federation from invading is a noble goal and is nothing like assulting other players private group