My open letter to Fdev

[Privata]

I am only surprised (unpleasantly) that you was not yet banned from the game completely. But maybe FD just not have enough time to go through the logs and ban everyone who violated the EULA.

Nothing he is saying or wanting to do is against the rules.

In fact blockades were ment to be part of the game , and FD likes it when we actualy play the game

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

because they simply seem to lack logic, or just can't see past themselves.

Projection is a thing

 

[PavelKCZ]

Nothing he is saying or wanting to do is against the rules.

In fact blockades were ment to be part of the game , and FD likes it when we actualy play the game

They already did it and their leader (according to his own post) was already banned by FD for doing it. It does not seem that FD somehow liked or admired what those boys did in Moebius group.

 

[AJ_Impy]

There are two distinct issues here. Going into Mobius to shoot people is somewhat poor form and unlikely to garner sympathy, but this bit is moot.

The important issue is fairly engineering the background sim to generate a legitimate effect as a ruse de guerre (in the sense of an unorthodox but effective strategy) and having that, despite acknowledgement of the cleverness and validity of the move, overridden by a brute force adjustment at source.

I do not have a dog in this fight. I don't indulge in Mobius, I don't approve of anyone imposing their playstyle on others and insisting theirs is the only right way to play the game. But I hate seeing cleverness and innovative use of tools get punished, especially when those administering the sanction agree that a punishment is unwarranted.

By all means, future-proof CGs if you believe you must. But this did not require an emergency alteration.

 

[sevinchurch]

You can't see that a player group as large as Möbius working on a CG unopposed is a problem in certain situations? Please, guys. Be rational.

Rational, as in thinking an entire group of people have some sort of collective monkey wrench to throw in to the works of a CG. I'm a member, didn't care about the CG, kept on trading.

Nothing he is saying or wanting to do is against the rules.

In fact blockades were ment to be part of the game , and FD likes it when we actualy play the game

Actually they did break the rules. They used false pretense in order to gain access to Mobius, a PvE group, in order to carry out PvP on the players therein. Our players don't do PvP outside of combat zones, and no this does not qualify. So they willingly went against EULA and griefed. End of story.

 

[jasonbarron]

I think as long as the CG's can be influenced by PG's & Soloists, then I think those players are fair game, regardless of where they hide out. The OP was poorly worded, but I still think he had some good points, and I'm speaking as an Open player who's never fired on another player or even taken active part in a CG. I'm FAR more concerned with Fdev's handling of the situation in regards to the CG then whether or not the 13th Legion was punished for infiltrating Mobius.

 

[sbdags]

I think as long as the CG's can be influenced by PG's & Soloists, then I think those players are fair game, regardless of where they hide out. The OP was poorly worded, but I still think he had some good points, and I'm speaking as an Open player who's never fired on another player or even taken active part in a CG. I'm FAR more concerned with Fdev's handling of the situation in regards to the CG then whether or not the 13th Legion was punished for infiltrating Mobius.

Exactly - I don't have any beef with a flipping the system state and thought it was a clever ruse. However, griefing in Mobius can not be tolerated and I am happy to hear that the perpetrators have been banned from the game.

 

[Oaktree]

So much talk, and the real reason is that all they just want is more cannon fodder in open!

 

[Electric Kite]

I have to say I agree with the OP. Large player groups participating in Powerplay or CGs where the allegiances are pitted against each other or set to gain an advantage should not be possible in solo or private. It's definitely a design mistake IMO.

So break the rules to make it right?

Nope.

 

[Sugarat]

So much talk, and the real reason is that all they just want is more cannon fodder in open!

There are many who'd like it to be that simple.. but it isn't.. the real issue here is the tinkering with the BGS..

..whatever your thoughts on PG infiltration and solo/PG/open, negating player action on the BGS doesn't sit right imo.

 

[2plex]

While the method used by the 13th Legion of entering a private group under a false pretense is highly objectionable, the point here is not that they did but that Fronier left the opposing group(s) of the CG with no other choice, if they wanted to counteract effectively.
Once again this illuminates Frontier's neglect for large parts of this game's community and and their disregard for any efforts that are not in line with their notion or plans.
The sheer outrageous act of willfully wiping out a result achieved by a group of dedicated players leaves more than a bitter aftertaste.

 

[Electric Kite]

This letter is so full of cringe i might just pass out.

It SO desperatley is trying to justify itself its depressing.

"you made us do this with bad game mechanics DERPP"

Jesus.

Please.

 

[Quester91]

Yes, another valid point in the neverending list of nonsensical design choices that is E: D. The more we go on the more this game is a larger mess.

 

[Goose4291]

We can all get on our soapboxes and debate indefinitely and argue the 'morality' of Mobius infiltration, if they did or didn't violate the EULA and thrash out our SDC debates again.

Personally I have only took one thing from this that shouldn't have been done. That is the God modding hand waving 'fix' to a legitimate use of the BGS.

 

[Electric Kite]

Yes, another valid point in the neverending list of nonsensical design choices that is E: D. The more we go on the more this game is a larger mess.

Youre right. Why this group is allowed to break the rules and infiltrate mobious on a regular basis is beyond me.

 

[knowles2]

Below is an open letter sent to Fdev via opening a ticket...

Greetings Fdev,


This message is to address the currentCG in Sagevon system. I am a ranking member of the Empire's 13^thLegion. Over the last 4+ days we had a mission to blockade the CGthat is clearly a Federation attempt to take control of the Meropeand surrounding systems. Unfortunately, you have created a game wherehuge player groups such as Mobius (being the biggest) can partake inthe CG in private or solo with virtually no resistance other than anoccasional weak NPC interdiction, which is a joke. As such, PowerPlay is broke, as there is no real way to properly defend against theFederation, who you seem to favor in just about any CG.


So this last 4 days, we used ourgranted access to Mobius private group to blockade ONLY theSagevon system in both Mobius groups andin Open play. Our intent was not to “club baby seals” but toappose the CG in a role play capacity. Despite what some may claim,we always declared our intentions as enforcing a blockade andallowing them to high wake. Most ignored us and were promptlydestroyed. After dealing with multiple combat logs by Mobius CMDRsand them declaring they would continue in Solo, and after giving verypublic notice in Redit, and further monitoring Mobius's forums (whichare open for all to see) we began to give them a little less time tocomply. Further with the starport being a very short 21LS from thesun it meant there just wasn't much time for us to wait for theircompliance. I assure you that had the station been further from thestar, we would have given them much more time and leaniancy, but wehad to make sure that the CG was effectively blockaded and many CMDRsin both open and Mobius were destroyed.


Now in contrast to other player groups,we actually don't find killing Mobius overly challenging, especiallywhen most of mobius was trading in Cutters and Condas with basicshields and nothing but mines for weapons. (Which just proves howpathetic the AI is at countering the CG or pirating). The solepurpose was to not allow the largest private group in the game toinfluence the CG without resistance. The orders were for our groupthat if you were kicked out of the group by Mobius, to NOT attempt togain access again, as that would breach your EULA. We simply wouldthen continue the blockade in Open play.


These actions simply go to protest howprivate play and solo can affect Power Play as a whole since there isno real way to counter it effectively. We do not care if othersprefer to play in private or solo, so long as their actions do notaffect the rest of the players. Which is why being in private or soloshould not be allowed to participate in a CG or Power Play. Itssimple common sense and logic here.


By Sunday (USA time) the CG went intolock down and you (Fdev) voted to remove the hard work that Empirealigned players put into the game. By doing so you have set aprecedent and basically told the community that there is no point inopposing a CG from now on as you will just eliminate that action witha keystroke. I don't know if you entirely understand the can ofworms you have opened with this action. Power play groups (especiallyEmpire aligned) are asking themselves why bother with the CG that isalso related to power play such as the current one since it isbasically a predetermined outcome by Fdev who will simplyalter/change any effect created by groups like ours.


Even outside the current CG as far asPower Play goes, by allowing CMDRs to participate in Power play inprivate and solo, you have created a situation where opposing them isimpossible. The entire premise is just flat out stupid frankly. Youknow, if you were to turn off CG's and PP in private and solo, thosepeople who played there would complain for about a few weeks. Thenthey would get over it and realize open isn't that bad. Especially ifopen got a huge influx of pacifists such as Mobius, as the ratiowould change dramatically. Everyone would still be able to play asthey wish, and simply understanding the dangers of going to a CGwhere you can bet there will be some opposition, can help them decideif they want to partake in it or not, AND if they do, simply readytheir ship defend itself a bit, or maybe wing up (strength innumbers) or even align with PvP groups to provide protection. Case inpoint at the last CG to build an imperial Cruiser, Several groupsincluding the Empire's 13^th Legion provided protection forthe traders doing the CG. This adds so much more dimension to thegame, as well as posibilites.


I strongly recommend that you changethe way that Private and Solo play effect everyone. Mobius oftencomplains that they just want to play it their way withoutinterference from others in a strictly PvE mode. Unfortunately theway you have created the game makes it so that Mobius CMDRs influenceEVERYONE when the participate in CG's and Power play, which is unfairand wrong. Mobius fails to see that there are two sides to the coinhere because they simply seem to lack logic, or just can't see pastthemselves.




Regards,


CMDR BKRambo
Centurion of The Empire's 13^thLegion

100% agree with this, I think what Frontier did was stupid and incredibly short sighted. They should have allowed it this once and then took a while to figure out how to make this work better before the next set of community goals design to set Empire vs Federation players against each other are launch.

 

[Thetele]

Player should be able to gather merits for powerplay, do cg and get rewards for those and enjoy bgs from solo/private, but their work shouldn't get counted on the servers. Like you can't make CG get more progress in it from solo/private, no effect to pp. The bgs it self isn't that bad, but CG and pp are. Frontier made huge mistake when they didn't make pp and CG open only thing as they drove away more players from elite than "griefers" and other bad things in elite combined. Those who don't want to get killed always could change to solo/private and didn't leave the game but those who wanted competitive stuff and take part on large stuff like CG/pp left the game.

 

[knowles2]

So much talk, and the real reason is that all they just want is more cannon fodder in open!

The real reason is people want a way they can actually properly oppose community goals. They found one and now Frontier have took the one and only way to stop a trading community goal away from the game.

 

[Deleted member 110222]

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...neer-bases-until-thermal-shock-is-fixed/page7

Please read post #92 behind the link.

It is exactly why all this crying over Solo, Open & PG is pointless.

It's FD's decision to allow BGS influence from Solo, not yours.

You think different? Too bad. Should've beaten David Braben in trademarking Elite Dangerous.

 

[Oaktree]

There are many who'd like it to be that simple.. but it isn't.. the real issue here is the tinkering with the BGS..

..whatever your thoughts on PG infiltration and solo/PG/open, negating player action on the BGS doesn't sit right imo.

If i deliver systems scans in solo i affect the BGS for everyone be they in PG or Open. If someone does the same in open it affects me in solo too. Thats the way this game was designed.
The only ppl i read complaining about this in this forum are PVPers. And why they do complain? Because they want everyone in open for more cannon fodder. That's why mobius has been inflitrated several times.
The rest is just sorry role play excuses!