My open letter to Fdev

[Oaktree]

I was talking about FD using server magic to overturn the result of player actions.. nothing to do do with solo/PG/open or PvP or whatever else you want to rail against.

Then sorry If i didnt understood you correctly. And then i'll have to agree with you. Bad move from FD. If a group of players managed to alter the bgs using the game rules like the Athena group did, FD should have let that play its course.
But what the 13th legion did, was pathetic.

 

[Moritz Norman]

Either open bonuses, or private/solo penalties. I'd be happy with that.

I would definitely phrase it as an Open Bonus, but yes; this is an all too obvious solution. More risk should deliver more reward, particularly at CGs.

 

[Andovar]

Either open bonuses, or private/solo penalties. I'd be happy with that.

That's the only solution that seems possible here.
I'll admit, it still feels like a watered down 'fix', but again, I don't have a better idea.

 

[DrBo42]

Your statement said "be rational", thereby implying any other point of view is irrational. People have explained Mobius several times over in this thread and in others, but the blinkered mindset of those engaged in defending this griefing means they may as well not have bothered.

The problem ultimately is with Frontier not having decent group management tools or PvE flag on player accounts.

The potential of players within a large private group to work together or solo players with no chance of being stopped by the opposing faction is a problem in the context of a cg. Specifically one with only one officially participating side. If you can't see how that's a potential problem, no, you're not being rational. It's been a glaring issue from day 1. Especially considering participant numbers are barely over 1000 if that most of the time (for collection cgs mostly), suggesting mass repetition instead of mass numbers.

 

[Deleted member 110222]

ED said there would be a offline mode, they cancelled it simply because it weren't possible, and Frontier or ED didn't go bye bye. Frontier can admit now, after 19 months of game play in the wild with real players that having all modes being equal for all activities simply doesn't work and simply doesn't allow for many of the other kinds of activities Braben spoke about in Kickstarter.

An they are already admitting it doesn't work with them discussing ways of encouraging more players into open when doing powerplay activities. One thing that been mention is people being able to earn more merits into open than in solo or private group, which is simply sticking a band aid onto the problem and unless it a substantial amount it simply won't work. I suspect even if the difference is substantial it still won't work.

Yes, ED didn't go bye bye because there is still a way to play single-player, it just requires an internet connection now.

I believe the reasoning FD gave for this is because they didn't want the offline mode to be a diminished representation of the game? I don't know for sure.

 

[knowles2]

Urgh...I have been here before.


Community goals...
Where the largest group always wins and the poor lone player always dies horribly if in Open.
I don't bother with them and I actually think they take away from what this game could actually be.
Too many times they seem to be used to do things that make no sense and, like in this thread, only serve to cause a lot of frustration and anger from all parties involved.
The idea was nice but as with most things, humans ruined it.
GG, over-diluted Homo-Sapien meatsacks.
Keep winning!

Should add that no one player or group is that important. You will never see every player involved in a CG so you can only do so much.
Welcome the constraints modern day gaming has.

I have done loads of community goals in open, an rarely if ever die, it pretty simple in this game to learn how not to die.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

ever heard of activism or civil disobedience? if it weren't for broken rules you'd still live in a cave. no internets for you!

A cave? Luxury!

I still live in a pond.

 

[CMDR DarkxXPhoenixXx]

Private and solo are broken... I'm sorry but it's true... they need to make it so open has way more benefits and solo and private groups only have a fraction of the sway.

I don't know why everybody is so surprised about Fdev changing the CG. They have yet again pandered to the whiners I for one am getting sick of it. Only Mobius and the Care Bears get to decide what happens in the game none of the other groups because God forbid if you tick one of them off.

Let's all get on our knees and praise our overlords in Mobius.

 

[sbdags]

Private and solo are broken... I'm sorry but it's true... they need to make it so open has way more benefits and solo and private groups only have a fraction of the sway.

I don't know why everybody is so surprised about Fdev changing the CG. They have yet again pandered to the whiners I for one am getting sick of it. Only Mobius and the Care Bears get to decide what happens in the game none of the other groups because God forbid if you tick one of them off.

Let's all get on our knees and praise our overlords in Mobius.

Lol. What a crock. I want to play how I want to play not how you want me to. Sour grapes? Much.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Private and solo are broken... I'm sorry but it's true... they need to make it so open has way more benefits and solo and private groups only have a fraction of the sway.

Private and solo are not broken... I'm sorry but it's true... they need to make it so open has no more benefits and solo and private groups the exact same amount of the sway

Look ma! I can make unsupported statements too! \o/

I don't know why everybody is so surprised but I'm changing the CG. They have yet again pandered to the whiners I for one am getting sick of it.

I'm sick of people calling other people whiners when they run out of arguments.

Sucks to be us, right?

Only Mobius and the Care Bears get to decide what happens in the game none of the other groups because God forbid if you one of them off.

Let's all get on our knees and praise our overlords in Mobius.

Again with the delusion that Mobius is some sort of hive mind set out to oppose your actions in Open.

This might be a bit of a shock, but since I'm pretty sure you're sitting down ... most players in Mobius or solo don't give a rats behind about you and your actions. The boogeyman that lives under the bed of scared open players does not exist.

 

[Alex Brentnall]

A cave? Luxury!

I still live in a pond.

A pond!

I used to dream of living in a pond, we used to live at the back of a rubbish tip.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Where's my pipe!?

 

[znôrt]

I still live in a pond.

being a happy cave owner myself i'm not aware of the social organization of ponds but there must be some rule you can break. if not, just ban something random!

 

[CMDR DarkxXPhoenixXx]

Private and solo are not broken... I'm sorry but it's true... they need to make it so open has no more benefits and solo and private groups the exact same amount of the sway

Look ma! I can make unsupported statements too! \o/


I'm sick of people calling other people whiners when they run out of arguments.

Sucks to be us, right?


Again with the delusion that Mobius is some sort of hive mind set out to oppose your actions in Open.

This might be a bit of a shock, but since I'm pretty sure you're sitting down ... most players in Mobius or solo don't give a rats behind about you and your actions. The boogeyman that lives under the bed of scared open players does not exist.

I'm sure they don't but, lots agree with the sentiment that Private and Solo shouldn't have a very large effect on the BGS, simply because it's not fair that we can't oppose you. I did not participate on either side, i'm a third party all i see is that this is another blow to non-mobius and private group players. Frontier obviously don't give a rat's behind about us, or what the open community is trying to do. Iirc there was a video in which David said that CGs are meant to be opposed.

 

[Deleted member 110222]

I'm sure they don't but, lots agree with the sentiment that Private and Solo shouldn't have a very large effect on the BGS, simply because it's not fair that we can't oppose you. I did not participate on either side, i'm a third party all i see is that this is another blow to non-mobius and private group players. Frontier obviously don't give a rat's behind about us, or what the open community is trying to do. Iirc there was a video in which David said that CGs are meant to be opposed.

But lots also agree that the modes should be left as they are.

Therein lies the problem for FD.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

I'm sure they don't but, lots agree with the sentiment that Private and Solo shouldn't have a very large effect on the BGS, simply because it's not fair that we can't oppose you. I did not participate on either side, i'm a third party all i see is that this is another blow to non-mobius and private group players. Frontier obviously don't give a rat's behind about us, or what the open community is trying to do. Iirc there was a video in which David said that CGs are meant to be opposed.

I'm third party as well. (excellent!) But obviously lots don't agree that Private and Solo shouldn't have a very large effect on the BGS.

The issue here is: Frontier interfering with the BGS. And the CG not having a counter-CG. The issue here is not Open/Solo/Private.

If the CG had a counter CG, you can oppose the CG.
If the BGS wasn't altered with, this is a moot point.

 

[Tom Melegaris]

Yes, another valid point in the neverending list of nonsensical design choices that is E: D. The more we go on the more this game is a larger mess.

Disagree, game caters to a wide audience with different playing styles. Some pick a can and are happy to eat among others, some pick a can and are only willing to eat solo, some cans are plain soup and some cans have alphbits... but my cans, can can...

OP has a valid point. How to have limited submarine warfare with limited rules of engagement... oh wait sorry wrong century.

*Kicks his can back to a salty fortress of solitude*

 

[Deleted member 110222]

I'm third party as well. (excellent!) But obviously lots don't agree that Private and Solo shouldn't have a very large effect on the BGS.

The issue here is: Frontier interfering with the BGS. And the CG not having a counter-CG. The issue here is not Open/Solo/Private.

If the CG had a counter CG, you can oppose the CG.
If the BGS wasn't altered with, this is a moot point.

This really is the best solution. Just make every CG a competition like the Daramo war.

Then everyone can treat it as a race. EASY.

 

[SlackR]

I can see this from both sides and can understand why Möbius players are not happy. But OP has legitimately exposed a major gameplay flaw if the goal is true player driven storyline outcomes. I often play in solo at times where I am in no mood for confrontation and can see how that is actually pretty unfair if I am still influencing the outcome of a CG. I think this is a major can of worms because Frontier are damned if they do and damned if they don't. I personally think the answer lies in making open and solo two different difficulty levels ... More reward for open perhaps? The thought of being forced to play in open won't work, nor can the current state of affairs continue. Whatever happens, both sides will have to compromise and neither will likely be totally satisfied unfortunately. Interesting times. Frontier have no right though to not give the Empire players a reasonable chance of countering this CG or any other.

 

[Privata]

It went the way of the Dodo, when griefer psychos came to Elite.

So hunting other players is not playing?
Look I dont kill players unless they attack me but FD said that killing anyone in open for any reason is fair game as long as you dont abuse systems (like abuse respawns or cheat)