Instancing is fine. If group A of people interdicting don't see you, maybe group B does. It's far preferable to having 0 chance of seeing/stopping you. Why do you have to be so adversarial? Legitimate complaints /= crying.
My open letter to Fdev
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Instancing is fine. If group A of people interdicting don't see you, maybe group B does. It's far preferable to having 0 chance of seeing/stopping you. Why do you have to be so adversarial? Legitimate complaints /= crying.
Ok, so what? I've done loads of community goals in solo and I have died. Again so what. Now we've both made equally useless declarations that have no bearing on anything of substance.
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No. You WANT open to have more benefits and solo and private groups to only have a fraction of the sway. They don't NEED to do anything. What a profound difference when words are used accurately.
Overtly aggressive, perhaps. Immature and ill conceived, most definitely. But sociopathic? You really need to get a damned grip on yourself before you go flying into outer space...without your space ship.
The amount of civil unrest caused by one little invasion into a private group just boggles my mind. Where I come from, something like that would just be laughed off as a stupid prank, not worthy of getting hysterical over.
Have a look at egx2014 where dbobe explains whyvthe game is not supporting guilds and Player owned space because he doesn't want players being blockaded from parts of the game. And how players can even enforce a blockade with 32 player instances not to mention bad pings etc
And then let me know how they are meant to be part of the game when dbobe says guilds are not being supported as he knows they will tryto control areas etc.
Except this is the third such instance. in the last 3 - 4 months. All of them major, all of them damaging. CODE and another group did it earlier this year, and FDev came out and spoke on it. 13th Legion did it last weekend, and now some of them have paid with their accounts.
What is it about EVE that scares people so much? It's probably the greatest example of "creating your own story" in gaming history. Those pilots actually shape that world. Probably the biggest sociopathic group actually had an entire alliance form against them and dismantle them. You can only dream of ED player stories matching that with what we currently have.
This is where you guys are myopic. Why do you think that he fled? Whatever could have happened in this virtual galaxy to foster such a sense of paranoia? If only there were players who's feet you could lay this at...oh....wait...maybe there is...I was trying to make a friend last night, but was also hunting bounties at the same time. I asked this cat "Got any warrants?"... and then he was gone.
I realize now that my "Hello" may have been a little heavy-handed
I may as well have asked him if he had any tasty cargo.
Part of the original plan was to let NPC blockades happen in the BGS and let players use the BGS to make them happen.
However , David braben never said anything against blockades he said he did not like it when players abused every one , or blockaded without a reason.
When an imperial faction blockaded hudson's construction of a new warship FD said it was good and dynamic gameplay.
Plays should be able to pay NPCs to do blockades that effect solo , group and open because its silly at this point were we can not do anything to stand against this event
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For me what scares me about EVE is the fact that you cant actualy fly the ship and instead its a point and click spaceship game
So I've been sitting quietly for a few pages reading and I want to throw another hand grenade in here for people to play pass the parcel with.
Giving bonuses or in any way locking gameplay to open will not work and will be easily circumvented.
Without giving too much away as I don't condone this at all I was on a student router a while ago servicing a good number of people in my building. It really did not like the Peer to Peer system and I rarely saw people despite really wanting to. Ruined a few of my fuel rat rescues where I should have been first on scene only to be greeted by blank space.
In this instance I did see some people although even with my elementary knowledge of networking I think I could work out how to play open and have it for all intents and purposes be solo mode.
In any case it'd probably also knock on increase the number of combat loggers which in response to this comment:
I can only say "Keep logging until FD have no choice but to change the game!!" <- Yes sarcasm to the n'th level and I actually feel bad posting this but your comment was very very very silly as I hope you've realised with some of the other responses.
Anyway I'm sorry to say I have no solutions here, just want to point out some of the fixes arn't fixes when you walk through them to the sadly inevitable conclusion.
Didn't scare me but put me off the game within the free trial was the fact that a good portion of the game world had descended into different tree-houses playing no girls allowed territory control where everyone needed a map, a gamebible and their brain connected to the online database just to avoid the no-fly zones.
If FD didn't have the game modes and non-subscription model I'd have seen the MMO tag and laughed as I walked away, being different is a selling point, if people want Eve 2.0 they should petition Eve to re-create their game from a different viewpoint. I mean if Command and Conquer can do a FPS (Renegade) after many many strategy games then any game series can flip genres
Giving bonuses or in any way locking gameplay to open will not work and will be easily circumvented.
Without giving too much away as I don't condone this at all I was on a student router a while ago servicing a good number of people in my building. It really did not like the Peer to Peer system and I rarely saw people despite really wanting to. Ruined a few of my fuel rat rescues where I should have been first on scene only to be greeted by blank space.
In this instance I did see some people although even with my elementary knowledge of networking I think I could work out how to play open and have it for all intents and purposes be solo mode.
In any case it'd probably also knock on increase the number of combat loggers which in response to this comment:
I can only say "Keep logging until FD have no choice but to change the game!!" <- Yes sarcasm to the n'th level and I actually feel bad posting this but your comment was very very very silly as I hope you've realised with some of the other responses.
Anyway I'm sorry to say I have no solutions here, just want to point out some of the fixes arn't fixes when you walk through them to the sadly inevitable conclusion.
Didn't scare me but put me off the game within the free trial was the fact that a good portion of the game world had descended into different tree-houses playing no girls allowed territory control where everyone needed a map, a gamebible and their brain connected to the online database just to avoid the no-fly zones.
If FD didn't have the game modes and non-subscription model I'd have seen the MMO tag and laughed as I walked away, being different is a selling point, if people want Eve 2.0 they should petition Eve to re-create their game from a different viewpoint. I mean if Command and Conquer can do a FPS (Renegade) after many many strategy games then any game series can flip genres
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No. We just wouldn't participate. The all modes being equal quote would break the internet before the CG was completed.
I know it must be hard for you to understand but invading a peaceful PVE group where players enter into an agreement not to shoot each other with the sole intent of murdering said players who are not kitted out to fight PVP is an extreme form of harassment and bullying. It is and should be punished with a ban. I'm glad that FD are taking it seriously and the likes of you are a minority that this game could do without.
I... what?!
Wow, brilliant comedy. A chest thumping and epeen fueled posting about a mindbogglingly ..funny.. attempt at justifying rather pathetic actions (no doubt fueled by righteous and mature pewpew anger) that are clearly outside the rules to anyone who doesn't confuse arguments with emotional baggage and opinions with facts (thatpresumablyalso leaves the OP giddy withattentioninducedexcitement) then turns into a thread that blatantly disregards the very obvious shortcomings it is based on (100% ignorance what mobius actually is, Op chose to cheat in a pathetic way - while at the same time the CG was locked down not because of a kindergarten move but by another group that used their brain to beat the game - so, you know, there could have been ways...) then kind of as an afterthought the whole thread gets turned into a generalized discussion about game modes, which then turns into a bit more of a 'show your ignorance' quest with some really serious contenders. Mobius with an agenda. Burn the witch.
All to the great entertainment of passersby - and reinforcing the opinion of the same, that going 'solo', or in small groups of friends or people that you can actually take serious, actually saves you from being exposed to so much of other peoples fun - and still participate in CG's with the same result, so the thread is arguably justifying the existence of the very thing it condemns. Ingenious.
It may just be me, but basing the beginning of a constructive discussion on the actions of a few crocked ..fellahs, and their pitiful ways may not be the best way to get something positive going. But heck, it's good entertainment.
Wow, brilliant comedy. A chest thumping and epeen fueled posting about a mindbogglingly ..funny.. attempt at justifying rather pathetic actions (no doubt fueled by righteous and mature pewpew anger) that are clearly outside the rules to anyone who doesn't confuse arguments with emotional baggage and opinions with facts (thatpresumablyalso leaves the OP giddy withattentioninducedexcitement) then turns into a thread that blatantly disregards the very obvious shortcomings it is based on (100% ignorance what mobius actually is, Op chose to cheat in a pathetic way - while at the same time the CG was locked down not because of a kindergarten move but by another group that used their brain to beat the game - so, you know, there could have been ways...) then kind of as an afterthought the whole thread gets turned into a generalized discussion about game modes, which then turns into a bit more of a 'show your ignorance' quest with some really serious contenders. Mobius with an agenda. Burn the witch.
All to the great entertainment of passersby - and reinforcing the opinion of the same, that going 'solo', or in small groups of friends or people that you can actually take serious, actually saves you from being exposed to so much of other peoples fun - and still participate in CG's with the same result, so the thread is arguably justifying the existence of the very thing it condemns. Ingenious.
It may just be me, but basing the beginning of a constructive discussion on the actions of a few crocked ..fellahs, and their pitiful ways may not be the best way to get something positive going. But heck, it's good entertainment.
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I dont pay attention to what groups do (because they often break the lore) but I dont think code have ever done anything outright against the EULA have they?
Sure they have attacked randoms (not againts the EULA) they have blockaded (not against the EULA) and so on.
In fact even that french group who shot everyone who did not speak french got a positive mention by FD and made them canon
Third thread about this in two days, started by the same bunch.
Considering I received an infraction earlier for telling just one person in one these spamfests to button it (like I care, it needed saying) are we going to see some forum bans for this endless thread spamming? Absolutely sick and tired of seeing endless threads about the same old same old. blah blah mobius blah blah open, same names, same points, endlessly. Exactly the same thing with the endless Engineer grind threads. This forum has pretty much gone down the toilet in the last six months, it really needs someone to get a grip of it.
Considering I received an infraction earlier for telling just one person in one these spamfests to button it (like I care, it needed saying) are we going to see some forum bans for this endless thread spamming? Absolutely sick and tired of seeing endless threads about the same old same old. blah blah mobius blah blah open, same names, same points, endlessly. Exactly the same thing with the endless Engineer grind threads. This forum has pretty much gone down the toilet in the last six months, it really needs someone to get a grip of it.
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Not a fan of that either. The player agency is amazing though. Wish we had even half the freedom that game has to create our own place in the galaxy.
Ahem, got my post deleted where I call a bunch of griefers...a bunch of griefers...Nuff said.
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Now if only they had mentioned players in all modes would change the bgs equally from ks days...........
I wouldn't have bought it if it said solo and groups would be second class citizens. Well not at pb1 maybe for a tenner on steam in the hope I could moan enough to change things
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