https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...(23-07-2015)?p=2581431&viewfull=1#post2581431
And if their point wasn't clear enough on this:
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...e-29-01-2015?p=1658799&viewfull=1#post1658799
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My open letter to Fdev
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https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...(23-07-2015)?p=2581431&viewfull=1#post2581431
And if their point wasn't clear enough on this:
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...e-29-01-2015?p=1658799&viewfull=1#post1658799
Guys. There is a very simple solution to this problem. For the BGS, simply dont get attached to any particular faction or station...then you won't care when a solo/private player flips it unopposed. For Power Play, just pledge to whatever Power has the benefit that suits you at the time, grind the bare minimum merits in the easiest way possible (fortify the nearest system even if its at 2000%). And for CGs, just grind it no matter the alignment or purpose and get those credits baby.
The solution here, as you can see, is to simply not GAF. It is clear that your actions have no purpose in this universe, so just go along for the ride. There is no need for all of this bickering.
The solution here, as you can see, is to simply not GAF. It is clear that your actions have no purpose in this universe, so just go along for the ride. There is no need for all of this bickering.
That was tongue in cheek. Good job outing yourself.
It's the truth though. There is nothing in this game for any group, player, or anyone to hang a hat on.
Anyone can take anything away from anyone..for no reason.
Nothing matters...and everything is a PvE grind!
Once you accept that this IS the way the devs have designed the game...everything becomes a lot more relaxed and fun.
if people do not like this idea...then they really need to leave the game for the piece of trash they believe it is...it's not changing. This IS the core design.
A PvE tug of war out-collecting other PVE players.
"i don't care for the story and i don't like to make up my own stories so you should not either, just grind those credits to get that most expensive ship and do the exact same thing in it"
also from the two links you posted:
"Will at any time solo and private group play be separated into a different universe/database from open play?" the no is to This, they won't make a separate server for open and offline, what they can do is limit Offline/private influence on Online after the recent events
"From the initial inception of the game we have considered all play modes are equally valid choices" in theory, some logic gymnastics and a perfect world he is right here...when actions in offline don't affect online and viceversa
Dude..really?
Here's the lore we wrote...and was made canon in the game:
http://crimsonstategroup.com/
Unfortunately....the only way to make this occur is to grind your rears off in PvE....even the PvP player groups that have created some lore, had to continuously grind PvE to have the money to 'blow' on PvP...most of them were excellent PvE grinders.
You cannot play this game in any capacity without grinding out PvE trophies somewhere...
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<shrug> not seeing the metaphor...
other than players pushing numbers around to make up a story.
Which IS what the game really is about.
dude i don't care about your silly fanfiction. I don't play Elite to shut the game down, go to the forums or some 3rd party site to read some flavor text that got "added" to the lore after you begged fdev to add it. The only remotley interesting thing left in Elite is the barnacles, unknown probes and unknown artefacts and the story behind them and what might come out of it(and i certainly do not want to read about it outside of the game, or in the galnet news 90% of the players don't even look at) and i want to SEE that. I want to see that Farragut over merope potentially crash into the planet since something came out from the ground very, very fast.
I want the game to feel alive, to see players cooperating with each other and against each other. I don't want to see grown up men running to Fdev and crying that they were stupid and their ship got devastated, give it back to me or that some players locked down a system where a CG was happening and people like you running around crying "reset it" "unlock it" "those evil griefers are ruining MY game"
Absolutely. Pay or pay not. Screwing over players only hurts Open and PvP.
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playing the wrong game, dude!
It really is amazing how pve players call pvp players selfish. Pot, meet kettle.
The only reason it is "the wrong game" is that the pve player base can squeal the loudest in order to be catered to. Also the pvers get to effect pvp players games with a cloak of invulnerability while the pvpers can do nothing. In fact, scratch the whole pot kettle thing...this is a clinical case of psychological projection.
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I can only keep pointing out the obvious...this is how the game is designed. Complaining about it will not change it...and Player Group ganking will only make the devs create an even more diminished environment for the PvP/Open crowd....
this is not about 'stick in the mud, game conservatism. This game's basic design is centered around PVE...PvP is a side show that is allowed. Settle in with the program or rail all you desire. Your time is your time.
All I try to do is explain the situation, one that literally cannot be changed....without a closure to the game and a full rewrite of the way the game works.
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...and just to put a little bit more of a fine point on this:
what happens when you grind your rear off...make a place for yourself in the galaxy?
You get to fight for one of the tweny spots in PowerPlay, where you get to turn over all your hard work to the devs and community...and have no more input into what your group really does.
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Which (wilfully?) ignores the fact that Mobius isn't a monolithic player group with one alignment - it's a substitute for open-PvE, with multiple factions represented with multiple superpower allegiances. The alleged connection between Mobius and the CG is spurious.
In other words, the stated motivation for the attack on Mobius players isn't supported by the facts, and was, I suspect, simply used as a wedge issue to try to polarise community opinion on an unrelated issue. Bad politics, basically.
LOL's playerbase just shows what happens when you build a PvP centric game. Salt happens. In that environment, I would expect nothing less. That's part of the fun of PVP! This game was never designed to offer even a 'good' PvP environment. There's no anti-cheat, no server security, no balance, etc. etc. It's a Peer to Peer game that allows people to have a way to play the way they want to...some people do not get a great shake in their way...but at least they can pew pew NPC's evenly across the board.
You are not FDev, You don't get to decide what will stay the way it is and what will be changed. And the game IS designed around PvEvP
Shh...let them polarize! It's not an even exchange...they keep losing more and more players from Open! LOL!
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The amount of work that would have to be done to do half of what people ask would require huge rewrites to the way the game is designed.
That's why the devs have said 'no' 50 different ways to adding or changing the way the modes interact.
Absolutley, the game is designed around the PVE chasing of trophies. PVP pew pew...is not even a major part of the game...it's a little bit of fun that some people could have if they wanted. that's it.
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Do not take what I said to be a bad thing. For me, the 'playful banter' of PvP in well developed PVP games is part of the fun. I played a lot of PvP and WvW in GW2...and lost horrifically most of the time...but it was enjoyable because of the people there. I used to be a FPS player...and had complete blasts in those games. Again..collecting and dishing out salt is all part of the game.
Unfortunately, I learned early that this games PvP was at best kabuki theater. In the grand scheme of things, it means less than nothing. You have to grind PvE to be able to afford to PVP...then you need a few ships replacements creds to be comfortable. It was nice I had the PVE reasons to collect all those creds...but for the real PVP players...it really sucked. The good ones didn't mind...but the moderate players gave up after a while because they couldn't take the credit grind back to be comfortable again. <shrug>
Let's imagine this scenario : you and your fellas are something like 100 americans playing as 13th legions in your own night time in open mode, I and my friend are also playing in the open at my own night time and playing to oppose your goal
But we WOULD NEVER MEET you, simply by the fact that we are in eastern asia with 11 hours of time zone difference with you.
Now then in light of such blasphemeous unfairness...
I'm waiting for your open letter to the God of whatever verse you believe in demanding that space tine to be bent over you, just cause...
We are waiting for such letter.
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But you're ignoring the point, which is that players complain about Mobius (spuriously, in this case) because they never meet players in that group, while at the same time not complaining about all the other players they will never meet because they're on the other side of the planet.
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