You are correct. I misspoke, my apologies. I meant the terms of use of the Mobius private group. PVE only, etc.
My open letter to Fdev
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Oh that is precious hipocratic irony. Thanks for brightening my morning
rep when I get to a pc.True, they have.
The moment they stop trying to justify being absolute pillocks and be decent gentlepeople and apologize for it, I'll start considering the bones they have.
I don't think you really understand what's happening here. Sure, you don't have any fear of being banned, you did nothing against the rules. What you do have is a big PR disaster for your group that you as their leader are not handling very well. Hiding behind technicalities does not help you here as you've seen when the SDC and the Code before them did the same thing. You and your group knew what Mobius is, where to find it and why it was there and still you went in and engaged in PvP. The thing that makes it worse for you than for SDC and Code is that in those previous cases you were quick to condemn those groups. Making your group not just look like a bunch of a-holes but also hypocrites.
Whelp... when you RP as the military, you sometimes get a few casualties in the name of the cause. It was simply business. No one was bragging about skill or prowess while whipping traders hauling cargo. On the other hand, it is a bit shocking that in a group of 20K members they couldn't field a wing to run a single pilot (or 2) out of a system.
Because simply Pindleton has right and you were wrong. Period. You cannot recommend anything on something purely logical.
Community involve a minimum of 2 players. Solo is solo, one, alone, lonesome... No more and no less...
Actually, there are many people on here whose opinions I do not like, Q being top of that list, because I often find him obnoxious in his manner of delivering his judgement on the game and others, and I did not miss him at all when he was banned. Yet the only 2 ignores I have both are 13th Legion, because their tired, pitiful, pathetic attempts to justify violating the EULA, and violating a PVE group whose players have done nothing to disrupt people, but who have only been playing the game in the way they wish AS WAS SET UP BY FDev. The fact is they are trying to sea-bag lawyer and word twist to justify what is plainly not able to be justified by decent people.
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A PR disaster? LMAO... do you think we are Starbucks? My group shut down a CG (with the help of some allies true). Only in opposite world is this a PR disaster... w/e that is for a video game guild.
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While I cannot support invading PvE groups as möbius to kill players, I think that the 13th put the finger right where it hurts :
Antagonistic community goals and PP are broken in their current form, as there is no way to properly oppose them. FD created gameplay situations
similar to a capture the flag game where the two teams play on different instance of the map, i.e. cannot interact together. IMO this is a huge
mistake, I know for a fact that quite some people have quit powerplay because of it (organize patrols to prevent undermining => does not work,
everyone is in solo where the NPC response is a joke).
In that regards, FD painted themselves in a corner as whatever they do it'll either :
- Create an outcry with solo/groups if they make CG's/PP open only
- Slowly see organized player groups working in open not bothering with PP and CG's anymore (killing the intent of PP/CG's in the first place).
The only three ways I can think of fixing it without creating too much drama :
- Playing in open has greater effect on BGS/PP/CG's than solo. How much so to be discused.
- Having NPC's piloting and tactics + system BGS response to events to a point where there is little difference between solo and open*.
- Playing in Open has more effect in PP. CG's that are disrupted like the 13th did go on hold while a bounty hunting vs piracy-murder one step CG is automatically created to decide if CG #1 fails or goes back on (with no further disruption possible). Put automated exclusion rules for groups (e.g. get kicked after the murder of #X CMDR's). Finally introduce a meaningfull crime and punishment system.
*I can't see that working given the "AI is too hard" outcry we had not so long ago.
My bet is that #3 is probably the "saner" way to go about it while creating the least amount of drama possible, but is also the most work intensive of the three.
I will conclude by saying that FD should learn to roll with it, instead of using force to put everyone back on the railroad (coaster XD ?) tour.
I hope that FD realize that something needs to be done if they want to have a lively open mode. If not, then why did they bother with all the multiplayer faff ?
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The CG does not look 'shut down' to me. If anything your actions probably helped promote it more than anything else.
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Sorry, knowing what happened with the CG, I stopped reading the OP here.
You can't go and victimize other players who don't want to play that role for you, and then turn around and blame them for ruining the game.
That's like a guy that breaks into your house, steals your things, kidnaps your wife, and then tries to sue you in court because you didn't have the lights on for him.
p.s. All this repetition of the words "emergent gameplay" - I don't think half you lot know the meaning of these words half as well as you ought to.
Sorry, knowing what happened with the CG, I stopped reading the OP here.
You can't go and victimize other players who don't want to play that role for you, and then turn around and blame them for ruining the game.
That's like a guy that breaks into your house, steals your things, kidnaps your wife, and then tries to sue you in court because you didn't have the lights on for him.
p.s. All this repetition of the words "emergent gameplay" - I don't think half you lot know the meaning of these words half as well as you ought to.
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Now if only you had stopped there. If only you had created a thread calling FD out for meddling with the efforts your group had put in. You'd not have this threadwreck, you'd have a thread where most if not all players would have sided with you on this issue.
But unfortunately you didn't. You tried to right a wrong with a wrong and now you're amazed both wrongs are discussed and the right is nowhere to be seen.
Now ask yourself, was going into Mobius beneficial for you? You may have this idea in your mind that you did it to prove a point. But know it's a point that has been discussed since PP and CGs exist. Know that other groups (Code, SDC) used the same justifications. Did that work out for them?
After you asked yourself this, let me ask you. Was going into Mobius the right move in retrospect?
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4. Provide a legitimate counter-CG simultaneously. This has happened in the past, for some reason FD decided not to need it here.
While I agree that putting people on the ignore list isn't helpful for a discussion, there needs to be a discussion in the first place.
I think what's causing so much division in the community are players who think that spoiling the fun of others to make a point (those players who think going to a private PvE group and kill CMDRs there or go to Erevate to kill new players in Sidewinders), players who think that they are more important than others and that they are allowed to dictate how others have to play, who think they can force other players to do things they want, players who respect nobody but expect everybody to respect their choices.
Somebody putting somebody else on a ignore list isn't causing a division in the community, that person is just reacting to the division.
Ziggy, I know you are trying to get them to be introspective, and I appreciate that idea, but they would have to have an open mind to ideas other than their own, and by their rants and drivel of the last couple of days, they have shown anything BUT an open mind, a conscience, or even honor and decency. They went seal clubbing and think they are cool for it, end of story.
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Wish I could give you more that 1 rep for this. And I completely forgot about the Erevate Seal Clubber society. I was lucky, I started in solo until I got a feel for driving the ship, then went open after I got away from Erevate. Now I only go through there from time to time in open to give some Painite to Newbs as a cash boost.
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Do they even have a home system where they have influence enough to be the prime minor faction? If so, sounds like a capital idea....
Interesting idea, since we can't explain it to them, we could show them, Mobius is a benevolent organization but not to be trifled with. Admitting you were wrong can be difficult and for some it seem impossible.
Sure. Why not?
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