New Group Starting BGS has some questions.
- Thread starter Karina Ivanovich
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Well done!
Congratulations! PMFs are where the action is. 
um..... did you know you have a squadron in your system who back a mf called Boman Co? https://inara.cz/squadron/2863/
I would talk to them....
Boman must not be linked as a player faction then. Looks like just a minor faction they chose to back?
In any case, they should allow HALP to take control of Khakya. It's the neighborly thing to do for fellow Pilots Federation members.
In any case, they should allow HALP to take control of Khakya. It's the neighborly thing to do for fellow Pilots Federation members.
Well said
No idea about Boman, but I disagree with this sentiment. If every large faction would allow new PMFs to take over their chosen systems, soon the large faction won't be large anymore.
Someone wants a system? Fight for it, and keep fighting for it. We live in a shared galaxy with competing interests. Work daily, or live out on the fringes of civilization. There is no reason an area of space that CMDRs have already put time and effort in should be vacated for new player supported faction without a fight.
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If every large faction has this attitude you'll drive countless Commanders away from playing the BGS. It's just one system.
But hey, if you want to go for the BGS equivalent of ganking noob Sidewinders in Eravate, that's your call.
I do not really understand what you are saying, but I go along with the sentiments expressed by Phisto. I certainly would not describe us as being a large faction but we had a new player group pop up within our area of systems.
We simply had a chat and they accept we will not interfere with them as long as they do not interfere with us.
Not sure I agree with these human backed factions. What right do they have to object to a human faction showing up near to there NPC groups? Why don't they start the same way as the rest of us?
I have to agree, though obviously am biased. I did all the checks for player groups and them being a NPC Faction made me overlook them, otherwise I would not have chosen that system.
I really don't get the attitude... Maybe some humility time to time. And kindness towards new player.
Have you been able to contact them? I’m sure a mutually beneficial arrangement can be made.
And yeah, this is why I said what I did earlier. I’ve been new too, and when you don’t even know what you don’t know you can run into some pretty huge challenges without realizing it. Can be utterly demoralizing.
I’ve been through that and fought hard with my old group to secure our home system. I’d do it again in a heartbeat, but it ain’t an easy road.
In any case, there’s support out there for the new folks. You can do it!
In a previous wave of PMF inserts (before the automated system) we had 4 PMFs inserted in the area of a faction we had been working for 3.5 years at that time. (We have been working NPC factions since before PMFs existed) We reached out to all of them and were successful in contacting a bunch of them. If an amicable solution can be found, that's great, but there should be no expectation of giving up systems to a newcomer who has never worked the area before, just because they got themselves inserted somewhere. If there is an agreement that works for all parties, fine. But it shouldn't start with the idea that somehow the newcomer should be getting something for free that other CMDRs already have put in effort in for a considerable time. This was just the most extreme example, but it happens constantly.
It's not a question of objecting to a new group showing up in or near NPC or PMF groups. If there isn't an agreement possible, because the new PMF wants to expand directly into territory already worked by others, then there is conflict and we play it out in the game. The BGS is for everybody, and rewards those who put in the work on a daily basis. There is no reason to simply vacate a system because someone didn't do their homework.
I wrote a FAQ in the group subforum for exactly this purpose. The number of PMFs that choose a home system without doing their homework and only finding out they chose a home system already worked by others is high, and it is not the responsibility of those already there to handle that problem. It's the responsibility of the new PMF.
We're happy to expand around PMFs with low ambitions or a desire to expand away from us. If you think you can take systems we've been fighting for for a long time, things will get tougher.
We want everybody to enjoy the BGS. And conflicts aren't necessarily bad, they can be the most exciting part of BGS play. But there should be no expectation that established BGS groups somehow should vacate systems just because someone new chose poorly. If you insert yourself in or near a faction that controls 10-20+ systems, you call the problems onto yourself. If you're new to the BGS, it is not wise to insert yourself in or right next to an established player group and expect to operate without any constraints. It's not objecting, it's defending.
We're always prepared to provide advice, as well have in the past guided people to home systems that were sensible for their level of expertise and size of the group. This is not about not showing kindness. But groups shouldn't be expected to dismantle the factions they have put years of work into, just because someone filled out a form.
Here's the FAQ: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...-maximizing-BGS-success-through-area-scouting
You want a system? Fight for it. You want to operate unopposed? Don't insert yourself in the central bubble, in or among factions that control dozens of systems. There are a number of choices a PMF before insertion can make to maximize their success. Failing to do so or making poor choices has consequences.
Here are the home systems of PMFs. The more central/near Sol, the busier it gets. If you're starting with the BGS, maybe don't place yourself so centrally, so you have room to grow. It's much easier to get a bit more to the fringes, and you won't immediately run into others or deal with high traffic systems.
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Sorry, I have to ask, what attitude?
Why should any particular player group get any advantage or be given something out of the blue? that other player made factions do not get? that people create a player made faction does not in any way indicate how they will actually use it in the long term, where fighting for a system, holding a system will give that indicator, else you can just end up with people creating a faction, claiming a lore wise significant place and deciding that the lore or what happened there previously was not important?
How would you in any way shape or form control these things if not by the effort people put in?
So yeah, that is a genuine question.
Not saying folks should get their systems for free. That’s silly. Of course they have to put in the work to flip it and maintain it.
My problem is with the attitude of ANY faction where they seek to perpetually deny another faction their home. As long as they don’t seek that, I got no quarrel.
My problem is with the attitude of ANY faction where they seek to perpetually deny another faction their home. As long as they don’t seek that, I got no quarrel.
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Usually people just talk and have a solution. Or, when they don't find a solution, they have a fight.
It is a game, and there are plenty of ways inside and outside the game to find a solution to a conflict.
A PMF can not be retreated from their home system, so as long as they don't give up, they ought to win in the long run.
It is a game, and there are plenty of ways inside and outside the game to find a solution to a conflict.
A PMF can not be retreated from their home system, so as long as they don't give up, they ought to win in the long run.
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Exactly! Large player groups will always be behind the eight ball because of this.
And again, it’s simple. We’re all members of the Pilots Federation - remembering what it was like to get started is wise.
Am I missing something? We have a new player minor faction looking for a suitable location and am I correct if I suggest they did a decent job of their investigations??
Do we have someone complaining because they are 'sponsoring' an NPC group?? If this is the case then surely player minor factions are registered with Frontier, NPC factions are fair game? Yes I sometimes 'sponsor' an NPC faction if I want my registered player faction to move into a juicy system that needs the removal of one or more groups?
If players want to play the background Simulation, should they apply to Frontier to register their very own group?
If a new player group decides to jumpinto an area under the control of a resident player group, then to me the new group might want to tread both carefully and tactfully but is this what happened in the example we are discussing??
Do we have someone complaining because they are 'sponsoring' an NPC group?? If this is the case then surely player minor factions are registered with Frontier, NPC factions are fair game? Yes I sometimes 'sponsor' an NPC faction if I want my registered player faction to move into a juicy system that needs the removal of one or more groups?
If players want to play the background Simulation, should they apply to Frontier to register their very own group?
If a new player group decides to jumpinto an area under the control of a resident player group, then to me the new group might want to tread both carefully and tactfully but is this what happened in the example we are discussing??