Hardware & Technical New Logitech X56 HOTAS!

true enough.
And let's face it- is the new X56 REALLY worth 250€? Because I certainly don't think so.
That's why, if you plan on purchasing a new HOTAS right now, your only real options are:
  • VPC (Virpil) MongoosT-50:
    Expensive as hell, but also has the quality to show for it. Pretty much the best quality HOTAS you can find on the market. Very customizable.
  • Thrustmaster Warthog:
    Also quite expensive (though a bit cheaper than the VPC). Great quality and lasting power. Lacks the customizability of the VPC MongoosT-50
  • Logitech X56 (2018):
    If you really NEED a HOTAS overloaded with functions and don't mind the occasional phantom button press and god knows what else pops up
  • Logitech X52 pro:
    Improved version of the X52. Great ergonomics, plenty of functions and costs you only 150€
  • Thrustmaster T16000m FCS:
    Solid HOTAS that does not cost much, but you might wanna invest in some velcro to secure the throttle on the table or it's gonna slide around.
  • Logitech flight system G940:
    Full Stick/Throttle/Pedals setup with force feedback.
  • Thrustmaster T Flight X:
    Not sure where to put it, but I suppose that's just about the cheapest HOTAS you can currently find on the market that won't fall apart after a few sessions of combat in ED

Reason why Force Feedback sticks are so rare is because Immersion has patented a looot of technologies related to force feedback. Basically, they are MASSIVE patent trolls.
 
true enough.
And let's face it- is the new X56 REALLY worth 250€? Because I certainly don't think so.
That's why, if you plan on purchasing a new HOTAS right now, your only real options are:
  • VPC (Virpil) MongoosT-50:
    Expensive as hell, but also has the quality to show for it. Pretty much the best quality HOTAS you can find on the market. Very customizable.
  • Thrustmaster Warthog:
    Also quite expensive (though a bit cheaper than the VPC). Great quality and lasting power. Lacks the customizability of the VPC MongoosT-50
  • Logitech X56 (2018):
    If you really NEED a HOTAS overloaded with functions and don't mind the occasional phantom button press and god knows what else pops up
  • Logitech X52 pro:
    Improved version of the X52. Great ergonomics, plenty of functions and costs you only 150€
  • Thrustmaster T16000m FCS:
    Solid HOTAS that does not cost much, but you might wanna invest in some velcro to secure the throttle on the table or it's gonna slide around.
  • Logitech flight system G940:
    Full Stick/Throttle/Pedals setup with force feedback.
  • Thrustmaster T Flight X:
    Not sure where to put it, but I suppose that's just about the cheapest HOTAS you can currently find on the market that won't fall apart after a few sessions of combat in ED

Reason why Force Feedback sticks are so rare is because Immersion has patented a looot of technologies related to force feedback. Basically, they are MASSIVE patent trolls.


I thought i'd share my Experience with the x56 - i bought mine a few weeks ago, after reading the initial statement in this thread from Logitech on Reddit, thinking i would recive a new one, because it was eight months since they posted that.

I later find out that amazon lists the old one as the new one... so i had it for about a week before i sent it back, it was great to fly with BUT the build quality was a bit so so, for example the zero of the thorttle changed from the first day to the second, so i had to weak it in the setting... something one does not expect to degrade over one day if you pay 200 euro plus for it.

Anyways i found a 35% the entire Logitech range directly from logitech, so i returned my old one for a new one i get about 220 EUR back from Amazon, and the new version only cost me 180 EUR (listing price 290 EUR with the 35% discount)

It's a great HOTAS in the sense that it's great to fly with, but i also feel that the improvements from logitech where warranted... so let's se if it holds up.

I also looked at The Warthog, but the lack of YAW and the need to get pedals for it made it a deal-breaker for me also it beeing more than twice the price, made it a hard sell seeing as i don't use a joystick all that much except when i paly Elite and when it's done, Star Citizen.

I'll add my thoughts once i get the new versoin this week.
 
true enough.
And let's face it- is the new X56 REALLY worth 250€? Because I certainly don't think so.
That's why, if you plan on purchasing a new HOTAS right now, your only real options are:
  • VPC (Virpil) MongoosT-50:
    Expensive as hell, but also has the quality to show for it. Pretty much the best quality HOTAS you can find on the market. Very customizable.
  • Thrustmaster Warthog:
    Also quite expensive (though a bit cheaper than the VPC). Great quality and lasting power. Lacks the customizability of the VPC MongoosT-50
  • Logitech X56 (2018):
    If you really NEED a HOTAS overloaded with functions and don't mind the occasional phantom button press and god knows what else pops up
  • Logitech X52 pro:
    Improved version of the X52. Great ergonomics, plenty of functions and costs you only 150€
  • Thrustmaster T16000m FCS:
    Solid HOTAS that does not cost much, but you might wanna invest in some velcro to secure the throttle on the table or it's gonna slide around.
  • Logitech flight system G940:
    Full Stick/Throttle/Pedals setup with force feedback.
  • Thrustmaster T Flight X:
    Not sure where to put it, but I suppose that's just about the cheapest HOTAS you can currently find on the market that won't fall apart after a few sessions of combat in ED

Reason why Force Feedback sticks are so rare is because Immersion has patented a looot of technologies related to force feedback. Basically, they are MASSIVE patent trolls.

:D Ok, good list, but I'm going to play Devil's advocate here:


  • VPC hotas. We don't know how good or bad it is, since no-one has the throttle yet. I read very good things about the stick and don't have any reason to doubt the throttle will be just as well received, but that's not the same as actually knowing it's the best thing out there.
  • Thrustmaster Warthog. It has issues. The throttle is based on a real unit, which is great for brrrrt immersion, but not so good for ergonomics. I know I don't like the button arrangement. I suspect I'm not alone. The main issues are the goofy left throttle body side switch, the awkward, difficult to reach at low rev setting flap switches and the APU start switch that gets obscured at medium throttle. The warner silence and autopilot engage buttons are missed opportunities, offering just a single press option. All perfectly acceptable for flying a virtual A-10, but not so great for other virtual aircraft, where the controller is hobbled for no good reason. I remember at release Thrustmaster claimed they'd be bringing out an F-18 unit 'soon' and decided to wait for that. I'm still waiting... ;) The stick is the main worry, though. It will grow slack and sloppy in use and it will break. Various proposals abound on how to improve long term feel, usually involving improvised gimbals to replace the ball and socket joint and Thrustmaster will ship spares for home repair. It's an excellent controller, but it has issues and it's not doing anyone who considers £370 a considerable sum of money any favours to gloss them over, particularly on longevity.
  • Logitech X-56. Time will tell. My deeply flawed X-55 throttle lasted just shy of three years before needing repaired, longer than many Warthog owners get from their stick. Logitech claim they've addressed the main issues and I'm inclined to believe them, since their fixes are things that I could probably put in place myself. It's about two thirds the price of a 'Hog, has far better ergonomics (in my opinion!) and comes with a twist, which many players prefer to pedals. It's probably the sweet spot between quality and price, beating the mighty 'Hog in some respects.
  • Logitech X-52s. No clue, really. :eek: I tried one once, it felt like a cheap toy, but cost a fortune in the UK at the time, so I passed. It's got a lot of features, Logitech promise that they've tightened up quality and I'm pretty sure the Pro can be customised enough to avoid the loose, plasticky feel that put me off. At £120 for the base model it's a great way to get a decent hotas on a budget.
  • Thrustmaster T16000m FCS. Great budget option, but the web's aflame with unhappy chaps and chapesses complaining about various quality issues. Another one I'm not sure I can offer a valid opinion on.
  • The Logitech G940 had a lot of issues new, but they're pretty irrelevant now, the hotas went out of production years ago. You might get lucky with an e-bay bargain. Personally I'd go for a Saitek X-65 if I was going down the used route... :p
  • Thrustmaster T Flight HOTAS X. Pretty solid buy if you ask me. I have a Thrustmaster T Flight X (not the HOTAS version, just a slider on one side) that's still going strong after several years of use and abuse. It feels cheap because it is cheap, but there's nothing wrong with that. Never mind the quality- feel the width!
You missed a couple of options I think most simmers would include in the mix.
  • CH Products. They look awful, but they're pretty much the toughest controllers on the market. Even if you do have a problem- which is almost unheard of- their customer support is allegedly top notch. Repairs are basic, pots are easy to come by and very little else breaks. They're not as accurate as some of the more modern stuff, but if longevity matters to you they're in a league of their own.
  • VKB. Bit of a cheat as they don't make a throttle yet! [haha] But their sticks are amazing. The gimbals are massively adjustable, there's a friction 'clutch' to adjust resistance, while the design (like VirPil) doesn't rely on a plastic ball and socket, so it won't inevitably grind itself into the sloppy, loose feel most other sticks deteriorate into. The grips are astonishing. An insane number of buttons, hats and axes all sit precisely where your fingers and thumb find them easiest to use. I gave myself tennis elbow trying to use all the X-55's options, the Gunfighter is actually soothing my tired old paws. Their problem is twofold. Firstly, they charge a bloody fortune. That could be a huge issue if the sticks don't last. Secondly, they manufacture in small batches, so getting a hold of one of them is a minor drama all by itself. They're definitely going for the 'entheusiast' end of the market. Still, if you can afford one and have the patience to wait months for a chance to throw that cash at them, I don't think there's a better option available right now. They've promised to bring out a throttle by the end of the year, but I'm sceptical about the timescale. I'm convinced it'll be one of the very best gaming peripherals money can buy when it arrives, but their record on delivering promised kit is pretty poor...
 
My motherboard provides already an USB3.1 connector for the front panel with USB 3.0 ports. I also deactivated the energy safe mode for the USB ports. So it should work I assume?

I really hate the decision to use short 1.8 meters cables when the Hotas x even has got 3 meters.

Honestly the x56 has a lot flaws and bad design decisions. But the feeling of the Thrustmaster 1600m FCS was poor plastic.

My screen has a USB 3.0 HUB with 2 ports, it runs of of one USB connection on the MOBO and that powers both the throttle and stick fine on my machine.
 
Well, my plan involves an X52 pro plus pedals.
It is not overly expensive and with the upgrades it should last me long enough for Logitech to release a successor model of the X56

Like seriously, Logitech is really good at making quality high end stuff. Take their new force feedback racing wheel for example. That's some good stuff right there. Dunno what the X57(?) will be like, but we can be sure as hell it's going to have the quality you'd expect for it's price tag.
 
Got an X56 after breaking my old X55. THe X56 is a huge improvement over the Mad Catz stick. And it reminds me I should really finish my VR setup, as it seems ideal for VR use. I have not had any issue with bleed (had plenty with the X55).

The nipples tend to stick a bit, but that's what a quick clean and silicone spray are for.

:D S
 
My luck has run out - After 16 months, one of the axis on the flight-sticks analogue "C-stick" has stopped responding. I contacted Logitech to return it, so far they've been helpful enough but I won't be able to return the HOTAS back to the retailer, until Thursday.

If there are any problems with the warranty claim, I'll report them back here in this thread
 
So, after almost four months with the HOTAS, here's an update:

Button ghost presses = None
Weird calibration issues = None
Connection Issues = None

Now mind you, I had the ghost button press issues until I plugged the unit into a USB 3.1 port on my motherboard, beforehand I was using a USB 3.0 PCI-E expansion. Never had a problem since.
Every button works without fail, no issues with calibrating, adjusting dead zones or strange behavior in game.

Honestly, the HOTAS now has well over 100 hours on it and not a single problem. Now, I am a little OCD when it comes to my equipment, I clean the dust off and protect the USB cable inlets on the throttle and joystick so things don't get bent or crimped. I also check to see if there are any firmware, hardware or software updates religiously every week (including that god awful Windows Update last week... let's not talk about that one).

Is it worth the $249.99 I spent, so far, yes... but please keep in mind, your mileage my vary. I've had a friend in my wing get one where one of the buttons stopped working after a couple of weeks, he contacted support and they sent him a new one within the week, so Logitech is standing behind their product.
 
Little word of advice for X52 pro users playing CQC:
You can try and set your "outer deadzones" to 20% and 75%. That will narrow the throttle's range to between the two detents and allows you to min-max your throttle much faster without yanking the lever all the way, increasing its lifespan by quite a bit. Kinda a useful tip if you're playing fast paced battles where you frequently have to make big changes to your speed :D
 
And if you're wondering if the X52 pro is the logitech or Saitek one, here's an easy way to tell them apart:
The old Saitek one has a silver rotary deal on the throttle, while the Logitech one's got a black one. You're welcome.
 
Nice. They fixed the problems I have with my X56... but I've ordered an expensive Virpil joystick, so I won't upgrade to the new X56. Sorry Logitech. Too slow.
 
of course ;)
Just wanted to be sure.

Nope. I didn't get the throttle. It looks nice though. Maybe something to get later. Right now, I'm actually quite happy with the Thrustmaster TWCS after getting the right grease to fix the stickiness.

I liked the X-56, but had to stop using it because of the electrostatic ghost-button-clicks. I kept on dropping chaff, heat sinks, turning on silent running, mid-combat, which made me stop doing combats and went for exploring instead. Then I got Thrustmaster instead. Some problems with that one too. Tired of bad quality.
 
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must've looked quite funny to other players though, their opponent randomly deploying landing gear, chaff, etc.
Probably. It was really annoying though. Really lost confidence in Logitech's HOTAS. I still like their mouses and keyboards, but the HOTAS aren't that great. That they finally fixed it now, that's nice, but I wish they've done it 6 months ago when I finally put the X56 away and got some cheap Thrustmasters instead. The PS4/PC Thrustmaster, which is both simple and cheap, actually is several times better in quality than X56. Didn't have a single problem with it. But not enough buttons, so I grew tired of it for that reason, and got the Thrustmaster 1600 with TCWS. So far the best, except, still a bit too few buttons on joystick. Hence the decision to get the Virpil.
 
I finally bought my first HOTAS.

It was the new X56. I had a student discount code, so I got it for just under 200 euros.

Here is an unboxing video:
[video=youtube;Vvqopbfaitc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vvqopbfaitc[/video]

And a video of me playing star citizen:

[video=youtube;-fxl8G27LZk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fxl8G27LZk[/video]

Im very happy with the quality and the feeling. I sold my Warthog because I didnt want to buy pedals.
 
Greetings,

OK, after using the X-55 for three years and the X-56 blue for 19 months I finally replaced it with the X-56 grey to see what happens. I am pleased with the results.

1. The grey uses the X-56 blue drivers and software (nothing new for the grey) so power off the PC, replace the HOTAS, PC on, calibrate in Windows, select your favorite lighting with the software, run ED and ready to go without losing any of your previous program commands in the ED/Options/Controllers page. When I replaced the X-55 with X-56 drivers I had to work the in-game programming.

2. No squeaking when using yaw on the joystick. This was apparent on both the X-55 and X-56 blue.

3. Releasing the joystick going to zero centering now actually works. This is a biggie as the X-56 blue at 0% left yaw then back to 50% centering would only get 46%. Full right then left would do 51%. The X-55 had similar issues. ED in-game dampning controls don't effect this much if any including the grey version. It seems more a Frontier issue.

4. New the throttle movement is still stiff but half the resistance of the previous controllers. Figuring a lot less grease on this one. Eventually all versions break in but the grey will be a lot sooner. With previous versions I moved the thtottle back-n-forth to get it loose before even leaving a station.

5. The grey screen graphics are now solid and sharp versus a 'wear and tear' look introduced with the X-56 blue. Given the controller problems I wasn't sure if this was by design or cheap screening.

6. I still use a powered USB hub versus directly connecting to the computer. Motherboard USB amperage was a big deal with previous models as some designs didn't provide the power. So I'm not testing that.

With the X-56 grey the flight controls are finally much more accurate and predictable. I had to play with them between the Windows calibration, X-56 software (I like green lights) and dialing in a few parameters on the ED controllers page. It now works perfectly and I don't need Logitech software. Everything can be setup in-game. With proper centering it is also much more responsive I'll have to relearn this precision I didn't have before.

When these controllers work they are the definitive HOTAS for ED. Nothing else comes close as the designers really nailed interfacing flight controls with a computer and never having to use supporting software to get it to work with a program. In X-Plane 11 I can fly a Cessna or a highly advanced tutorial Airbus, Boeing or Embraer understanding how to they fly in the real world. It was never about the programming design but the mechanical quality control.

But will it last? Switches and buttons tend to gradually get 'loose' over time we will not always notice. All that moving around in ED menus takes a toll on the hats. After three years changing out my X-55 (the yaw spring finally broke) to an X-56 blue I was shocked to see the difference and what I was flying with. Even 19 months with the X-56 blue I saw differences after installing the grey. It is very tight on joystick centering which makes me a better pilot but who knows in two years. Even players using the Warthog considered by many as the best built HOTAS on the market have issues after a few years.

Being silly about ED I also own the Warthog, TFRP Pedals, T.16000M FCS, T.Flight Hotas 4 (PS4) and even an old Cyborg joystick. Sorry I never did an X-52 but Frontier liked them and in the early ED years offered a protional sale. I've reviewed them all on the Forum but from my perspective playing the game. That is the blessing and curse with ED as everyone has a different perspective. So give me another two years and I'll report on how the Grey works out.

Regards

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Well, fact remains that it is pretty much just a refurbished "blue" X56.
Some better wiring here, some better stuff there and a grey paintjob so people can tell the difference.

Logitech's Saitek very likely has already begun working on a successor model.
Will probably take a few years till it comes out and it even MIGHT be a force feedback stick. Lots of the patents held over force feedback by Immersion Corp. expire in 2020.

Those guys are basically patent trolls.
Throw a patent at ANYTHING force feedback related, from Joystick force feeback all over to smartphone haptic force feeback. You (as a company) want to force feedback your input device? Pay the hell up and deal with the customers yelling about the strangely high price tag...
 
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