New Planet Tech is KILLER of Exploration (all terrain is tiling/repeating/not procedural/random)

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Hmm... I have to say, some Planets really don't look good.

Mind you - that's Ultra Settings, the best Oddity(tm) can currently render here on this Rocky Planet :
(awkward that only the closest inspection of the surface really close-up shows a Detail Texture as expected)
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Seems these really depend heavily on lighting to reflect at the proper angle.
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If it's possible to create one planet like this, then it's possible for the tech to create all planets without repeating structures. It involves identifying the procgen constraints that produce the repeating patterns and altering them so that no pattern with more than X amount of similarity to any other pattern is generated. I hear no death knells for the game coming from this issue (instead only for the ability to describe this as not-a-paid-beta). But the noise is good as it stimulates a reaction from FDev. So I urge everyone - PANIC!!

What would actually be useful would be to maintain a list of planets for which this occurs to use as a reference set for any changes and updates - when the effect is gone from all of them, that would be a measure of "fixed". This may be happening with the tracked issue.

That's a fair point, though I wonder how this planet managed to hide the tiling this well (while maintining that the canyon pattern seems to run a NW-SE direction which seems odd) assuming there is.
 
You occupy the other end of the extreme. So well done. You know you are actively trying to hurt efforts to improve this game by making clear issues known, in trying to make it look like it's nothing but a rage thread by this kind of silly post you just made?

You are aware that these kind of threads, now at 54 pages long, serve for nothing but to spread frustration, negativity and general misinformation like you and a few others have so eloquently posted? Searching for planetary surface patterns which are clearly not there? Looking at the same planets over and over? Listen, we are all VERY WELL AWARE there are issues, they have been reported. What is being asked is for degree of rationale to the feedback given, instead of looking for fowl and felines on planetary surfaces.

You are also well aware that the medium for bug reporting is already present as a more efficient method, as you yourself have already mentioned?

Oh and I'm still waiting on an answer on your accusation that I was just 'seeing clouds' in my pictures showing repeating patterns, which they do by the way. Wyrd 2B. Ask anyone here, or look at the bug report page on it and examine the pictures of that planet.

This again? I mentioned very well in my critique towards your post, that we are all VERY AWARE that there are issues with the planetary surface generation and they have been thoroughly reported. AS YOU VERY WELL HAVE MENTIONED.

However, it is not happening as much as you want us to believe with your posts. Don't believe me? How about you ask and look around this time? Neither do I see the phenomenon in the "evidence" you have put forward. Only in some scenarios are we able to observe the glitch where it becomes very evident. Which is not the case in the pictures you have posted, there are no repeating patterns there and I told you what I think: You and few others are taking it too far. I mentioned this very clearly.

Yes, indeed it is my opinion that you are suffering from a case of "wishful seeing" and "pareidolia". Very much like finding non-existent patterns in the clouds. What? Others believe you? If you point out a chicken in the clouds I may also start seeing it. Do you know that?

Your behaviour is detrimental to the development of this game and for the clear sight of others as you are efficiently spreading disinformation.

Listen, we are in this together. It will be fixed, I am certain of it. I advise you calm down and perhaps take a step back.
 
Looking at the same planets over and over?
That's the point - it's always a different planet, they just look all the same.
You are also well aware that the medium for bug reporting is already present as a more efficient method, as you yourself have already mentioned?
Yeah, tickets risen and accepted and if you ask the support, where you should discuss this: Go to the forums, the devs will read it...

Ah, and I am calm :) After all ED is one of my favourite past times and not much more.
 
I think I agree with this, in many ways the Horizon planets before the Beigefication were the most "atmospheric" and interesting to explore the game has ever had. I too miss the fog effects some planets used to exhibit.

All of these pics were after Horizons but before the Beigefication :

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Yeah, great images! I agree, though I maintain that with beigifaction the rocky ice worlds became very nice as well as the surface textures.

Here is another one from 2016 (DW1), a terraformable planet, also with nice greenish tenuous atmosphere. I do really wonder why these were taken out during the 'upgrades'.
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And this is first FDL to Beagle Point, at the far end of the Galactic Core. :)
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BTW all these image were taken with a GTX 960 4Gb, to put into context.
 
You are aware that these kind of threads, now at 54 pages long, serve for nothing but to spread frustration, negativity and general misinformation like you and a few others have so eloquently posted? Searching for planetary surface patterns which are clearly not there? Looking at the same planets over and over? Listen, we are all VERY WELL AWARE there are issues, they have been reported. What is being asked is for degree of rationale to the feedback given, instead of looking for fowl and felines on planetary surfaces.

You are also well aware that the medium for bug reporting is already present as a more efficient method, as you yourself have already mentioned?



This again? I mentioned very well in my critique towards your post, that we are all VERY AWARE that there are issues with the planetary surface generation and they have been thoroughly reported. AS YOU VERY WELL HAVE MENTIONED.

However, it is not happening as much as you want us to believe with your posts. Don't believe me? How about you ask and look around this time? Neither do I see the phenomenon in the "evidence" you have put forward. Only in some scenarios are we able to observe the glitch where it becomes very evident. Which is not the case in the pictures you have posted, there are no repeating patterns there and I told you what I think: You and few others are taking it too far. I mentioned this very clearly.

Yes, indeed it is my opinion that you are suffering from a case of "wishful seeing" and "pareidolia". Very much like finding non-existent patterns in the clouds. What? Others believe you? If you point out a chicken in the clouds I may also start seeing it. Do you know that?

Your behaviour is detrimental to the development of this game and for the clear sight of others as you are efficiently spreading disinformation.

Listen, we are in this together. It will be fixed, I am certain of it. I advise you calm down and perhaps take a step back.

Not the case in the pictures I have posted? Someone please tell this person alongside me they are WRONG. Wyrd 2B apparently does not feature repeating patterns.. You know I need someone else, because only that way perhaps will the effect of "Hmmm so I think X but everyone else thinks Y... maybe I'M the one at fault?" might dawn on them.

Again now. This person claims there are NO REPEATING PATTERNS ON WYRD 2B.

"If you point out a chicken in the clouds I may also start seeing it. Do you know that?"

I apologise if I've given you nightmares about chickens. Is it the running around type in gardens chasing you, or a huge box of KFC with legs?
 
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Not the case in the pictures I have posted? Someone please tell this person alongside me they are WRONG. Wyrd 2B apparently does not featurer repeating patterns.. You know I need someone else, because only that way perhaps will the effect of "Hmmm so I think X but everyone else thinks Y... maybe I'M the one at fault?" dawn on him/her.

Again now. This person claims there a NO REPETEATING PATTERNS ON WYRD 2B.

OK, "Person X" and/or "Person Y". Please do what this one is telling you and CONVINCE ME because apparently I am not allowed to disagree on a discussion forum.

Look at the other pictures everyone else has posted, there are repeating patterns in those and they are extremely evident. However, on WYRD there are is no such thing and I have very well explained to you why. I am sorry but yes indeed you have taken it too far to the point where you are seeing chicken and cats in random patterns.

Here is there thing though, we are allowed disagree. It can happen, did you know? But why do you care so much about being right with WYRD 2B if we have reported the issue which is happening randomly across the board? Why is it so important to you?

It is being looked at, calm down.

I apologise if I've given you nightmares about chickens. Is it the running around type in gardens chasing you, or a huge box of KFC with legs?

Now that's just rude.
 
Devs don't decide when to ship. Investors do. If Frontier had a soul and the respect to its customers, they'd decline the investor's demand.

You're wrong; investors did not demand Odyssey be released on May 19th. It was company management who made that decision. The other thing you must realise about Frontier is that over 50% of the company is owned by insiders. David Braben alone owns 45% of the company (and is the largest single shareholder). Aside from the upper management who also happen to be shareholders, general shareholders do not have any involvement in the day-to-day running of the company. People are always ascribing FAR too much power to shareholders.

Non-insider investors are just as disappointed as the players; the lasting stain on Frontier's reputation will erode their value for some time to come (the investors, shareholders, are the company OWNERS). This could have been mostly avoided by simply labelling the game as a "gamma release" (a beta where you don't lose your progress) or "early access", but instead it was just a full release. Currently, Steam reviews are now only 30% positive. Once the problems are fixed (and most of them will be fixed by the time the console release happens), the sheer number of bad reviews is going to seriously dent game sales (and by that token, future cosmetic sales) and leave a reputational mark on Frontier even if by November they turned it into literally the best videogame ever made.

The irony here is that Frontier once sued GameTek for forcing them to publish Frontier: First Encounters before it was ready.
Now they've just gone and done just that to themselves - forcing themselves to release before it was ready!

Given it was David Braben who was behind the suing of GameTek, it's a real surprise he hasn't remembered this lesson.
 
You're wrong; investors did not demand Odyssey be released on May 19th. It was company management who made that decision. The other thing you must realise about Frontier is that over 50% of the company is owned by insiders. David Braben alone owns 45% of the company (and is the largest single shareholder). Aside from the upper management who also happen to be shareholders, general shareholders do not have any involvement in the day-to-day running of the company. People are always ascribing FAR too much power to shareholders.

Non-insider investors are just as disappointed as the players; the lasting stain on Frontier's reputation will erode their value for some time to come (the investors, shareholders, are the company OWNERS). This could have been mostly avoided by simply labelling the game as a "gamma release" (a beta where you don't lose your progress) or "early access", but instead it was just a full release. Currently, Steam reviews are now only 30% positive. Once the problems are fixed (and most of them will be fixed by the time the console release happens), the sheer number of bad reviews is going to seriously dent game sales (and by that token, future cosmetic sales) and leave a reputational mark on Frontier even if by November they turned it into literally the best videogame ever made.

The irony here is that Frontier once sued GameTek for forcing them to publish Frontier: First Encounters before it was ready.
Now they've just gone and done just that to themselves - forcing themselves to release before it was ready!

Given it was David Braben who was behind the suing of GameTek, it's a real surprise he hasn't remembered this lesson.
No, i am right. Who's the main investor of Frontier as its owner? Braben. So yes, he's accountable for this.

If it was any other outside investor who'd have the majority, they'd be accountable. There are numerous examples of it (Sacred series f. ex. - Deep Silver rushed them)
 
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You're wrong; investors did not demand Odyssey be released on May 19th. It was company management who made that decision. The other thing you must realise about Frontier is that over 50% of the company is owned by insiders. David Braben alone owns 45% of the company (and is the largest single shareholder). Aside from the upper management who also happen to be shareholders, general shareholders do not have any involvement in the day-to-day running of the company. People are always ascribing FAR too much power to shareholders.

Non-insider investors are just as disappointed as the players; the lasting stain on Frontier's reputation will erode their value for some time to come (the investors, shareholders, are the company OWNERS). This could have been mostly avoided by simply labelling the game as a "gamma release" (a beta where you don't lose your progress) or "early access", but instead it was just a full release. Currently, Steam reviews are now only 30% positive. Once the problems are fixed (and most of them will be fixed by the time the console release happens), the sheer number of bad reviews is going to seriously dent game sales (and by that token, future cosmetic sales) and leave a reputational mark on Frontier even if by November they turned it into literally the best videogame ever made.

The irony here is that Frontier once sued GameTek for forcing them to publish Frontier: First Encounters before it was ready.
Now they've just gone and done just that to themselves - forcing themselves to release before it was ready!

Given it was David Braben who was behind the suing of GameTek, it's a real surprise he hasn't remembered this lesson.

spot on.
 
OK, "Person X" and/or "Person Y". Please do what this one is telling you and CONVINCE ME because apparently I am not allowed to disagree on a discussion forum.

Look at the other pictures everyone else has posted, there are repeating patterns in those and they are extremely evident. However, on WYRD there are is no such thing and I have very well explained to you why. I am sorry but yes indeed you have taken it too far to the point where you are seeing chicken and cats in random patterns.

Here is there thing though, we are allowed disagree. It can happen, did you know? But why do you care so much about being right with WYRD 2B if we have reported the issue which is happening randomly across the board? Why is it so important to you?

It is being looked at, calm down.



Now that's just rude.
It's not an opinion if repeating patterns exist on Wyrd 2B, so no we can't disagree on this point. Why do I care so much about this planet? Well because it's the point of contention? Most importantly of all this is happening FAR more frequently than you seem to realise.


Look at the fourth picture, that is the planet (it is targeted so the name is on it). Are there repeating patterns? Yes or no? It;s Wyrd B2 actually, and no you can't try and cover your tracks with that simple error.

Yes, well you're being rude telling me I'm imagining things:

"Yes, indeed it is my opinion that you are suffering from a case of "wishful seeing" and "pareidolia""

Also I'm going to take it as a little bit rude telling me to calm down, as if you are assuming I am in some fury here and not able to argue in a thoughtful and relaxed manner, not to mention posting a meme about pitchforks as a message to everyone here. I'm not going to continue this argument with you however as it's derailing the thread. Others and myself will continue this discussion.
 
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The Steam entry for Odyssey is review bombed with some things patently untrue, probably picked from the forums. Would not be surprised if it was arranged.
 
It's not an opinion if repeating patterns exist on Wyrd 2B, so no we can't disagree on this point. Why do I care so much about this planet? Well because it's the point of contention? Most importantly of all this is happening FAR more frequently than you seem to realise.


Look at the fourth picture, that is the planet (it is targeted so the name is on it). Are there repeating patterns? Yes or no?

Yes, well you're being rude telling me I'm imagining things:

"Yes, indeed it is my opinion that you are suffering from a case of "wishful seeing" and "pareidolia""

Also I'm going to take it as a little bit rude telling me to calm down, as if you are assuming I am in some fury here and not able to argue in a thoughtful and relaxed manner, not to mention posting a meme about pitchforks as a message to everyone here. I'm not going to continue this argument with you however as it's derailing the thread. Others and myself will continue this discussion.

Tenuem is just trolling... best not to engage.
As one of my favorite authors says (translated from the original french): "I have felt in my very blood, ever since I was born, a most unconquerable hatred towards the whole tribe of fools, and it arises from the fact that I feel myself a fool whenever I am in their company."
 
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