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STD is so far away from Rodenberry's vision it is not Star Trek. The bridge has a dour, morose vibe and the once subtle undermining of the male characters, in the first season, has evolved into a blatant mockery - which is an apt description of the show.

First Star Wars and now Star Trek. Dismantled and anything recognisable is twisted. Star Fleet was always a positive entity. Cheers Seth for The Orville. He gets it!
 
First I heard of the Tardigrades game (could be a side effect of not having used Steam since 2004), but yes, it sure sounds like Discovery could have ripped it off wholesale.

Ripping of something that was original in 2014 still makes it more original than most of Trek, which has ripped-off itself, and everything else, over an over again for more than fifty years.

The Metro IIRC is the only news source to have run the story no one else is touching it, could be because its a free newspaper financed by advertising so they don't care about internal media industry contacts so much. If you check out the character mini-bios the similarities go way beyond coincidence.

I think they'll just eventually pay the guy off, CBS can afford it and look guilty.
 
STD is so far away from Rodenberry's vision it is not Star Trek. The bridge has a dour, morose vibe and the once subtle undermining of the male characters, in the first season, has evolved into a blatant mockery - which is an apt description of the show.

First Star Wars and now Star Trek. Dismantled and anything recognisable is twisted. Star Fleet was always a positive entity. Cheers Seth for The Orville. He gets it!

Sci-fi always reflects progressive ideas of the time its made in.

Read 20,000 leagues under the sea its like a travelogue on which endangered species are the tastiest from a 21st century viewpoint. The creature features from the 50/60's were all about nuclear panic and environmental concerns. Watch Soylent Green its all overpopulation and global warming.

STD seems to be people wont sweat sexuality soon, you just can't trust your own secret services plus runaway AI worry (currently).
 
One of the great things, in my opinion, about the old Star Trek was that each episode was something new. You could tune in without knowing anything that had taken place during previous episodes or seasons and be able to follow that week's episode. Modern television eschews this kind of programming. Almost every episode feels like it is "to be continued" and isn't forgiving if you've missed one or more preceding episodes. I guess it's a part of our DVR/on-demand/streaming/binge-watching culture of the 21st century. I know, I know. Discovery is supposed to be watched on-line. It isn't broadcast over the air so potential viewers don't have to worry about missing an episode. This kind of rhythm to the show, however, changes everything.

I genuinely like Discovery ... but it doesn't quite feel like "Star Trek" to me. There is another great Sci Fi show that I've been watching up to the conclusion of its second season just this week that feel much more like the original Trek to me.
 
Sci-fi always reflects progressive ideas of the time its made in.

Perhaps, but the best scifi kept that kind of thing secondary and very much in the backgroud.

Look whats happened to both starwars and startrek now people who want to force their agenda have got involved. Both have become sad parodies of the older stuff.
 
Perhaps, but the best scifi kept that kind of thing secondary and very much in the backgroud.

Look whats happened to both starwars and startrek now people who want to force their agenda have got involved. Both have become sad parodies of the older stuff.

Neither star wars nor star trek do that at all in the minds of most, slightly so (and arguably positively) in the minds of others.

The minority who see it as a problem everywhere are just projecting their own insecurities, prejudice or fears.

Star Trek featured the first TV interracial kiss, which was a positive thing and good for wider society. Jack Harkness is the same. Science fiction looks forward not backward.
 
Perhaps, but the best scifi kept that kind of thing secondary and very much in the backgroud.

Look whats happened to both starwars and startrek now people who want to force their agenda have got involved. Both have become sad parodies of the older stuff.

Got to disagree here, the best Sci-fi holds a mirror to the society that creates it, surely?
 
Perhaps, but the best scifi kept that kind of thing secondary and very much in the backgroud.

Look whats happened to both starwars and startrek now people who want to force their agenda have got involved. Both have become sad parodies of the older stuff.

It's because there apparently is a need to spoon feed everyone with political crap, it's never good no matter from where it's coming, left or right, it will only blow up in their face.
However I'm looking forward to see the new ST, and a few other movies around the corner I got high hopes for.
 
Neither star wars nor star trek do that at all in the minds of most, slightly so (and arguably positively) in the minds of others.

The minority who see it as a problem everywhere are just projecting their own insecurities, prejudice or fears.

Star Trek featured the first TV interracial kiss, which was a positive thing and good for wider society. Jack Harkness is the same. Science fiction looks forward not backward.

What do you make of the borg? Your culture will adapt to service us? Resistance is futile and all the same colour. Some might think it was a metaphore for multiculturalism. Bad guys...

It's because there apparently is a need to spoon feed everyone with political crap, it's never good no matter from where it's coming

For me personally i enjoy a bit of fantasy to escape from reality. This is why the agenda is so unwelcome and perhaps why some felt the need to push it. Take DS9, it was all there if you chose to look for it and yet it managed to do so in a completely non triggering way.

Edit: the fact that the borg were all mindless aswell hehe. Its the same point as the grey feels guy.

Edit2: is it just me or is "black alert" an actual dig at the show itself?
 
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What do you make of the borg? Your culture will adapt to service us? Resistance is futile and all the same colour. Some might think it was a metaphore for multiculturalism. Bad guys...

The Borg are the bog standard scary sci-fi trope of Frankenstein run amok (tech fear) on a national level. A carbon copy of the cybermen which Doctor Who did in the sixties.

Skin color is irrelevant to that really.

The original Klingons being a bit swarthy wasn't a political message either it was just a product of the racism which was normal at the time.
 
Perhaps, but the best scifi kept that kind of thing secondary and very much in the backgroud.

Look whats happened to both starwars and startrek now people who want to force their agenda have got involved. Both have become sad parodies of the older stuff.

The agendas you speak of were always there and always in your face.

Plenty of TOS and early TNG episodes, where Roddenberry was directly involved, were at least as blatantly progressive as anything in recent shows and often much more so given the norms when they were produced.

Much of the newer material is a sad parody of the older stuff, not because of any multiculturalist egalitarian socialist utopian agenda, but because that's not even the agenda any more, it's just a veneer over a product, meant to maximize profits with the minimal amount of work. With the older shows you could tell people were taking risks because they believed in something and wanted to tell a good story.

Got to disagree here, the best Sci-fi holds a mirror to the society that creates it, surely?

Even newer stuff does this well. It's shows that society is largely made up of a pile of vapid, delusional, consumerist, bigots.

What do you make of the borg? Your culture will adapt to service us? Resistance is futile and all the same colour. Some might think it was a metaphore for multiculturalism. Bad guys...

The borg are a singular culture, that forces everyone they encounter to adopt their ways, and were highly intolerant to the point of genocide of all other cultures. That is exactly the opposite of multiculturalism, which requires tolerance of differences, rather than forced assimilation.

The borg are a metaphor for fascist nativist cultural/racial supremacists.

For me personally i enjoy a bit of fantasy to escape from reality. This is why the agenda is so unwelcome and perhaps why some felt the need to push it. Take DS9, it was all there if you chose to look for it and yet it managed to do so in a completely non triggering way.

Maybe it's less the apparent agenda that triggers you and more the bad writing, gimmicky characters, plot holes, and lens flare?
 
The original Klingons being a bit swarthy wasn't a political message either it was just a product of the racism which was normal at the time.

Yeah the borg, probably coincidence. :D The klingons particulalry the first line and the 80s film klingons were, how can i put it? Problematic towards the chinese. Look at the hairstyles and the facial hair, there is even a hint of it in the music.

The borg are a metaphor for fascist nativist cultural/racial supremacists.

Isnt everybody exactly equal in the collective? Subserviant only to the elites/queen. The more you examine the borg the worse it gets. Of course only from a certain point of view, if you choose to look that way.
 
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Yeah the borg, probably coincidence. :D The klingons particulalry the first line and the 80s film klingons were, how can i put it? Problematic towards the chinese. Look at the hairstyles and the facial hair, there is even a hint of it in the music.

Reds under the beds fear of communism what with the exclusion zone and the cold war. More their behavior than their look though.
 
STD is an abomination.
Hopefully the Picard show will restore some credibility to the genre.

I don't think science fiction is doing all that poorly. I've been pretty impressed with The Expanse, Westworld, Stranger Things, and a few others, among currently running shows.

Post DS9 Star Trek has been pretty iffy though and there hasn't really been much in the way of good space opera (though The Expanse probably qualifies).
 
Certainly are good shows out there just now but STD is definitely not one of them.
I actually cancelled my Netflix account it was so bad.
 
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Certainly are good shows out there just now but STD is definitely not one of them.
I actually cancelled my Netflix account it was so bad.

That's a little OTT I think.

No it didn't. There had been interracial kisses on both UK and US tv before the scene in Plato's Stepchildren aired in 1968.

It doesn't matter who gets there first, as with exploration getting the credit is what counts. Its still a step in what's definitely the right direction.
 
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