New Station in Pleiades..... is a Pirate Hub ??!??

[Vasious]

I think you guys are jumping the gun claiming that FDev handed a player faction the system.

I am sure Hagglebeard's Heroes was included as a faction not at the request of Hagglebeard but a nod that he was talking about a colonization of the Pleiades back in May

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=142433

But once the faction existed how could Hagglebeard not form the group and move out there
Look at the date his group formed, it is AFTER, the Faction appeared.

The Minor Faction created the player group


As to it being an Anarchy, id say it is more a frontier town than a pirate haven, hardly need the main shipping lines yet.
"This Group is known to have a distain for any laws outside its own attempts to govern its members behavior"
Doesn't make them pirates

Remember the Security rating was determined by one of the CG tiers

There is always the BGS to push your faction of choice

 

[Patau82]

I think you guys are jumping the gun claiming that FDev handed a player faction the system.

I am sure Hagglebeard's Heroes was included as a faction not at the request of Hagglebeard but a nod that he was talking about a colonization of the Pleiades back in May

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=142433

But once the faction existed how could Hagglebeard not form the group and move out there
Look at the date his group formed, it is AFTER, the Faction appeared.

The Minor Faction created the player group


As to it being an Anarchy, id say it is more a frontier town than a pirate haven, hardly need the main shipping lines yet.
"This Group is known to have a distain for any laws outside its own attempts to govern its members behavior"
Doesn't make them pirates

Remember the Security rating was determined by one of the CG tiers

There is always the BGS to push your faction of choice

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=201653

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=201653

Any reason for posting that link?

 

[Patau82]

Any reason for posting that link?

original announcement of group forming

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

original announcement of group forming

Yes, that much was clear

Nevermind, I'll mosey on thadda way ->

 

[BEKTOP 3APEMOB]

If only players would make such outcry to make government types actually differentiate from each-other. Right now the only difference is in flavor texts. And lack of police in anarchy systems.

If you like it - continue to cry about which minor faction was added to system. If not - start loudly asking devs to make minor factions give different missions, different communication messages, to have different station designs (at least add faction specific styles inside the stations), different weapons (maybe just different looks).

Right now I can't tell if I'm in communist system/station or corporate or patronage or democracy. And I don't and can't care who owns what station or system because of it.

Same goes for different economies. Same goes for Power Play mini-game. - they all behave exactly the same. You can't tell the difference unless you read small flavor text on galaxy map.

 

[Malkevin]

Weird thing is I'm pretty sure the different government types and economies did used to be biased towards different types of missions in earlier versions of ED

 

[ShadowWolf Kell]

If only players would make such outcry to make government types actually differentiate from each-other. Right now the only difference is in flavor texts. And lack of police in anarchy systems.

If you like it - continue to cry about which minor faction was added to system. If not - start loudly asking devs to make minor factions give different missions, different communication messages, to have different station designs (at least add faction specific styles inside the stations), different weapons (maybe just different looks).

Right now I can't tell if I'm in communist system/station or corporate or patronage or democracy. And I don't and can't care who owns what station or system because of it.

Same goes for different economies. Same goes for Power Play mini-game. - they all behave exactly the same. You can't tell the difference unless you read small flavor text on galaxy map.

Some of us have in the past. People seemed far more fixated on beating the dead Open vs Solo debate instead. They had to keep bringing that up in relation to NPC police and military forces based on system security and government type. Given how USS and POIs work and their instant spawn nature, I have to concede that this is all just a pipedream at this point anyway.

 

[BEKTOP 3APEMOB]

Weird thing is I'm pretty sure the different government types and economies did used to be biased towards different types of missions in earlier versions of ED

Even if they were (they weren't - it was just a pattern for various system economy states like ''boom'' or 'lockdown'')
Was it good enough for you? Were you able to feel like you're supporting this particular type of government or economy?

 

[Malkevin]

Well it was nice having my home faction sending me to hunt down pirate lords instead of some celebrity they were bored of.

 

[Vasious]

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=201653

Date of thread vs date of Patch release with minor faction in it. Which came first

 

[Legacy_LuckyLuke]

Well this wouldn't be the first station / system to be gifted to a player group, and likely won't be the last,

The question is, if other players are genuinely miffed about the process - (or seeming lack of it) what can we reasonably do about it?

It seems FD (and the player groups) hold all the cards.

 

[DNA-Decay]

What I learned from this thread:
Hagglebeard is acknowledged as first to call for a Station in the Peliades. (thread above)
Obsidian Ant popularized the idea through his delightful YouTube channel.
FDev created the in-game faction Hagglebeard's Heroes.
Then Hagglebeard created a Player Group to match.
Then there was the Kaushpoos CGs to build and outfit the new station.
Then there was a poll to name the station.
At some point there was a CG to determine the security level of the station. I didn't know about this one. Can someone link to a thread here?

And I remember a thread that proposed a pirate CG to steal the station.

In station we now have:
The Ant Hill Mob.
Hagglebeard's Heroes
and two others.

So I think the outcome is unexpected in terms of what particularly the Cannon were working towards.
But not actually unreasonable.
We all worked to build something larger than a research outpost.
If security level WAS determined by CG, then this is what we built.

Can someone please please link to where security level was chosen by CG?

 

[Vasious]

What I learned from this thread:
Hagglebeard is acknowledged as first to call for a Station in the Peliades. (thread above)
Obsidian Ant popularized the idea through his delightful YouTube channel.
FDev created the in-game faction Hagglebeard's Heroes.
Then Hagglebeard created a Player Group to match.
Then there was the Kaushpoos CGs to build and outfit the new station.
Then there was a poll to name the station.
At some point there was a CG to determine the security level of the station. I didn't know about this one. Can someone link to a thread here?

And I remember a thread that proposed a pirate CG to steal the station.

In station we now have:
The Ant Hill Mob.
Hagglebeard's Heroes
and two others.

So I think the outcome is unexpected in terms of what particularly the Cannon were working towards.
But not actually unreasonable.
We all worked to build something larger than a research outpost.
If security level WAS determined by CG, then this is what we built.

Can someone please please link to where security level was chosen by CG?

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=187372

Amongst the stars; mine palladium ....

 

[Walt Kerman]

The pleiades cg was not a CG of the Cannon. They were one of the many supporting groups though.

 

[WR3ND]

By choice I don't directly align with any group, faction, or power.

That being said, the main weight of effort and motivation and the description of the station that people contributed in the community goal ("building" the station) toward was for a deep space type outpost in a nebula, research station, and exploration hub away from the bubble.

Regardless of who happened to mentioned the Pleiades first, building a "pirate hub" faction base of operation isn't the reason people participated in the community goal nor is it remotely what was described to them during the effort.

 

[Walt Kerman]

By choice I don't directly align with any group, faction, or power.

That being said, the main weight of effort and motivation and the description of the station that people contributed in the community goal ("building" the station) toward was for a deep space type outpost in a nebula, research station, and exploration hub away from the bubble.

Regardless of who happened to mentioned the Pleiades first, building a "pirate hub" faction base of operation isn't the reason people participated in the community goal nor is it remotely what was described to them during the effort.

Then put a different faction in charge guys.... if it bothers you this much

Here is a guide I made for people trying to do things like this: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=193064&p=2971102#post2971102

Start a little movement. Emergent gameplay right here.

 

[WR3ND]

Then put a different faction in charge guys.... if it bothers you this much

Here is a guide I made for people trying to do things like this: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=193064&p=2971102#post2971102

Start a little movement. Emergent gameplay right here.

I didn't say it really bothers me all that much (see my first post in the thread); I'm just saying why I sympathies with people who are bothered about it and think they are making a fair point. Some people contributed quite a lot of effort and time in the related community goals (myself included), and to a degree, it does seem as though that effort was betrayed.

 

[Walt Kerman]

I didn't say it really bothers me all that much (see my first post in the thread); I'm just saying why I sympathies with people who are bothered about it and think they are making a fair point. Some people contributed quite a lot of effort and time in the related community goals (myself included), and to a degree, it does seem as though that effort was betrayed.

Perhaps Frontier wanted to make sure a blackmarket was there. Who says Hagglebeards heroes are pirates? Maybe they are smugglers. Pirates also put an effort into the CG. Hagglebeard was the one who initially conceived it. The station is far from anywhere civilized, maybe players should put some effort in to make it that way too. Someones not going to get what they want. You guys got a station. In all likelyhood, Michael Brookes himself sat down and put it in, knowing how sensitive the stellar forge server is. The community got all these amazing things but this one aspect is bothering some people. Fortunately its also something you can change through effort.

It looks to me like Frontier played a nice compromise, while giving a nod to the person who originally had the idea, but received the least amount of credit for it, because of all those involved he is the least "public". Today, he got his. Good. Now he has to defend it from the masses of incensed explorers. Hilarious.

 

[Malkevin]

Got to admit, I was one of the people that contributed to the palladium CG, might've come late but me and my little FDS worked our socks off licking roids to earn a top 5% contributor spot, and I'd rather the station have been put in as the science research station as advertised instead of a dirty anarchocommi station.

If the pirates had worked to take it over then fair enough, could've been another CG to determine its fate.


Edit: And its not like this is a slap in the face to just the people that mined palladium, there was nearly a dozen different CGs to build this station over a near two month period, comprising of multiple haulage, bounty hunter (who were very successful at keeping the pirates away I'll add), and mining CGs - its the biggest community effort we've ever had.