No Man's Sky recent success is good sign for Elite and future Space games/sims
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Honestly, I think NMS's and Elite's ability to "attract" X amount of players is really not comparable. NMS is far more accessible and easier to get into to in short bursts than Elite, requires much less time commitment.
Imo Elite is pretty niche and more focused on those sci-fi "hardcore" fans which are also pretty enthusiastic gamers.
A huge amount of players who left Elite I think don't follow the news, they took the experience, decided they "got it's worth" and moved on to other games.
What I'm really nervous about is whether Elite will "casualize" the game to pump up those player numbers. Some signs are already there - simplified Engineers, telepresence, Guardian blueprints reduced, mission payouts being far greater than 1.0, C&P (?) , etc.
(I don't have much of a problem with those, but it shows the lack of confidence in their own abilities in some cases)
Time will tell, but I doubt Elite can live on those small numbers of players who still play the game after 1000 of hours.
Agreed. Just want to add that this forum can also be a pretty nice place if you avoid Dangerous Discussion and visit other areas. Coincidentally I never post on these areas...
The problem with Darshyne's argument, which you seem to be pandering to, is that 'more' is subjective ... Was the 'NEXT' update by HG equivalent to say Beyond Chpt 2, or was it equivalent to more, or less of the other patches?
You see the fallacy?
Both games are iterating towards the vision sold by the owners ... and that is a good thing. The relative speed at which they iterate is moot if you enjoy playing them.
True (again). I know some people who love more accessible games like CoD or Assassins Creed and they love NMS. When I showed them Elite they where blown away but said it would be too complex for them. I know this isn't true for everyone but NMS is certainly more appealing to the masses.
Personally I think it's impossible to compare the complexity and required efforts for Elite and NMS updates because we lack details and knowledge. I'd compare Next to the entirety of Beyond when it comes to the content we can see on the surface, with the caveat that Beyond still requires more effort because of the base game being more sophisticated and complex. That's just guessing though.
Viajero
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Indeed. I think the frequency and quantity of new content coming to Elite is just fine, especially when compared to other space genre games, including NMS. But of course each player may have a different opinion about quality and interest of that content, and that is just something personal and very subjective.
Often times the complaint is expressed a bit wrong I think, it is not about lack of new content or frequency as we can see above, but rather about "the lack of content that I personally would like the game had". And obviously what I would like may not be the same you would like.
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Yes there is but you'll have to work it out, "cough, cough, splutter" (that's a clue btw)
No, you can fly spaceships if you want in NMS and you can own fleets with massive ships and just fly if you wanted to. They're not "wildly different" in the slightest - they both set you in a space ship with different systems to fly to or fly in space and shoot down pirates.
If you want a damage model take a look at sims from the 90's. I can't remember which F18 game it was but it had "cascading damage" in that damage to certain parts could damage other parts of the plane. If you want a space sim try out Virgins Space Shuttle Simulator with it's 500 buttons and switches. ED and NMS are games, not sims.
Just speaking from my own experience, none of the updates that Elite has had recently that you mention has'nt done any major in game play department for me.
I am still flying around doing missions here and there.
I wish they would improve on the stuff that already is there instead of adding.
Like really interesting missions and archs. Visual Contact with npc in comms panel.
NPC crew from Guardian update is a huge let down to me because I cant see my comrade in the seat next to me in my Cobra!
Passengers is great. Prob the best with this update.
Multi crew from commanders is totally uninteresting for me.
Hole me is totally useless since I never see my own character
Guardian stuff just means more grind but its ok
The NMS updates really add lots of stuff and improves on the core game.
30 hour story arch, I wish it was in elite also.
Just my opinion and it may differ greatly from others.
But to me the updates in NMS contain more stuff to play with really. Maybe its because I like single player games.
Multiplayer in Next is also useless to me. But there are so many other great stuff in Next
Just to remind I like both games.
Playing Elite much more recently in VR.
Thargoids seem ok, but I have not yet played with them
Beyond seems like missed oportunity to me
As pointed out several times the correct genre term for games like Elite is Space-Sim, wether you agree with it or not. I do agree that Elite is not a simulator though.
Most of us here know this except a few select few.
Viajero
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Just speaking from my own experience, none of the updates that Elite has had recently that you mention has'nt done any major in game play department for me.
I am still flying around doing missions here and there.
I wish they would improve on the stuff that already is there instead of adding.
Like really interesting missions and archs. Visual Contact with npc in comms panel.
NPC crew from Guardian update is a huge let down to me because I cant see my comrade in the seat next to me in my Cobra!
Passengers is great. Prob the best with this update.
Multi crew from commanders is totally uninteresting for me.
Hole me is totally useless since I never see my own character
Guardian stuff just means more grind but its ok
The NMS updates really add lots of stuff and improves on the core game.
30 hour story arch, I wish it was in elite also.
Just my opinion and it may differ greatly from others.
Just to remind I like both games.
Playing Elite much more recently in VR.
Thargoids seem ok, but I have not yet played with them
Beyond seems like missed oportunity to me
Totally understandable. Different players will value those updates in different ways. But I do not think it is an issue about slow content or frequency, it is rather one of personal opinion/enjoyment of it, really. And on that front YMMV.
Where are you getting this information - let's see a source for this please and whilst we're at it, maybe point out the lack of caves in "ED's more sophisticated model"? Did the put them in yet because the last I read FDev were saying they were too complicated?
So let's see this info where HG use a simpler one over FD.
It's rubbish because it's done poorly. Talk to AI crew that have a very limited wordbank so wil lrepeat things over and over and over... Talking to the aliens in NMS is a pita tbh - it's exactly the same text for the most part and it's useless. It's basically a few screens to click your mouse to get passed and does nothing for gameplay.
Had Silent Hunter/Service had actual gameplay for the sub then it would work. Not quite sure what gameplay that would be LOL - cooking the food? Using the loo? Other than getting to walk the length and see what it looked like and how cramped it was, what else is there?
I didn't expect that you are having the same opinion like the white knights. Since when do you consider Elite good and an enjoyable experience?