No Single Player Offline Mode then? [Part 2]

[piotrr]

For some people immersive games are escapism, not just another way of hanging with your hoopy froods. Sometimes that's because a lot of people are evil, nasty, mean and generally not good. Other times it's just because people need a switch from ordinary life and like to dream a little dream without intrusion. The latter can be entirely without malice towards other people, they simply need to be left alone for a while and there's nothing wrong with that.

 

[Papa Smurf]

Not sure if you read any of the 10,000 posts... Requests for refunds have been filed and rejected. This is the reason why this thread is still here.

Cheers,

I would also choose the former in the same situation. I would have liked to play off-line, but I'm not going to lose sleep over it, not going to stamp my feet demanding a refund, and not going to vilify a company as a consequence. Frankly, the lack of off-line mode for me is far less detrimental to the game than Mass Effect 3's awful ending, and my limit was to simply state that I would not be pre-ordering any games from EA, but rather wait and see what peoples' opinions were.

The kind of vitriol that some people are kicking up over this refund for no offline issue is just insane in my opinion. It's taking the issue far too seriously.

If anyone has a legitimate beef with refund issues and so on, file a complaint with proper channels and take it to Trading Standards, but going online to character assassinate and libel a company is not on.

 

[piotrr]

I agree entirely, the damage has been done now unfortunately and we now have to put up with the vitriol of these same people clapping themselves on the back for a job well done.

Which people are clapping themselves on the back for a job well done?

The ones who are getting a refund to go with their disappointment, or the ones who think they managed to chase off people who'd rather be left alone?

 

[Demosthien]

Henna's point is well received. Your response is just yet another example of insulting behaviour that serves no purpose except in derailing those points.

Most games with the kind of variety planned for ED and the evolving galaxy in the game do require an online connection. Your incredulity will not change that fact. FD have explained that the game they want to make would be too static and lifeless without being able to access online content to allow this to happen. I have no reason to doubt them in this. It's not like they're doing it personally to make people use their internet connections.

In light of this, your comment was not helpful. What planet is Henna on? Seriously? That was what s/he came here to post? is not a helpful or constructive response in a forum where there is already enough unwarranted insulting behaviour on both sides as it is.

Perhaps you should remember this before commenting again.

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You're serious? Henna's point is well received? Henna made an inflammatory statement with no basis in reality and everyone who reads it knows it.

Let's just look at it again shall we?

I really do not see how anyone thought that an offline version of this would be possible. Like the majority of massive content online based server games there is no offline version.

This is the reason why all these people are complaining about the dropping of offline is because it was dropped, it's really quite simple to understand. Note I said offline mode was "dropped", that's because it was a mode that was promised by FD and everyone involved in Elite : D and then at the last minute they dropped it. Ok?

Well, if not here's a post I made earlier that should really clear this matter up for Henna and yourself.

Your lack of understanding of the matter is incomprehensible. But I guess as you are getting what you wanted then you are not interested in wrapping your head around the possibility that others might not be happy.

Allow me to explain...

People were told they could buy a game that had an offline mode.
People paid money for the game.
People have now been told the game will not have an offline mode.
People are unhappy as they wanted offline and paid for it.
People wish to get their money back as they did not get what they paid for.

Irrelevancies in this whole affair include but are not limited to;

The online game is awesome.
You like the game as it is.
People should have known they'd have limitations (whatever they might be) and shouldn't have bought the game.
People should have known there was a risk in pre-ordering.
You haven't asked for a refund.
There are only a minority of people unhappy.
Another game developer did X and that was ok/not ok.
People have the internet so can actually play online.*


Try to show a little empathy... Maybe if you have a think about how you'd feel if they'd dropped the online mode then you'll have an idea.

 

[Yaffle]

I see the name calling has started again.

So have the moderators.

Here it is again, using very small words:

Do not insult other posters.

There, as small as I can make them.

Insult another poster, expect a warning or infraction. It's really not hard to not insult someone. Just delete the insulting bit, or don't post at all.

 

[Papa Smurf]

I need to start word documenting my responses as it would be much easier not writing them over and over and over again.

The realm shame is what FD did after being intrusted with 1.5mil+ by 26,000 KS backers.
This firestorm would have not happened if they took a moment and ask those backers what they thought.
Further more this firestorm would have not happened if they informed beta-testers of removal of the off-line and offered rebates to anyone who is not happy with this.

If they did this we would be singing their praises and clapping them on their backs... But they didn't and this is a real shame!

I agree entirely, the damage has been done now unfortunately and we now have to put up with the vitriol of these same people clapping themselves on the back for a job well done.

Such a shame so close to release and although i can understand the bitterness to a degree the fact that threats, character assassination & even slander has been used by people to make their "point" whilst ruining the forums for the vast majority of the players is really a disgrace.

 

[Wulfrune]

IM happy its been an amazing week for you, for some of us who feel ripped of and taken advantage of, not so much. And your PR spin isnt doing you any favours. PYour reassurances that its wasnt an easy decision doesnt detract from the fact that are more than happy to keep peoples money after selling them an item described as having something that it doesnt.

I could care less that moderators are working 24 hours, if it wasnt for your god awful approach and handling of the issue, or your blanket refusal of justified refunds it wouldnt be necessary for them to be here at all hours of the day.

Oh and this community is FAR from the best. It didnt take long for all your "fans" to start name calling and abusing those of us that want a refund.

Shame on you for trying to whitewash this issue.

Absolutely spot on

Well said.

 

[piotrr]

Now here's where I get really petty:

I don't want a refund. I'm not applying for a refund, and I'm certainly not going away.
I want an offline mode, or something very much like it, where I don't have other people in my game at all.

I know my disappointment and sadness are really silly and stupid and petty, but that only makes me all the more embarassed and angry that I've been pushed to this point. I can't even just pull out and give up because I've already put a bit if money into it that I probably can't get back even if I try, AND I honstly don't want to abandon Elite because I am emotionally invested too.

I understand that a continually updated dynamic universe blah blah totally not an empty experience blah blah, but I don't care about any of that. I understand there will be "drawbacks" to not being online, but I want it anyway. I'll be fine. Just leave me to my own devices with the game I've dreamt about for seventeen years.

 

[Papa Smurf]

Which people are clapping themselves on the back for a job well done?

The ones who are getting a refund to go with their disappointment, or the ones who think they managed to chase off people who'd rather be left alone?

I can't agree more with you Piotrr. This is a SAD day for all of us. Even that I don't like multiplayer games I still gave a small amount on the first day of Kickstarter campain. Why? Because I wanted to see ED succeed. Once FD posted the off-line mode and DRM-free I increased my pledge by a LOT. There is noting more that I wanted then FD doing what they promised.

 

[DraigUK]

I need to start word documenting my responses as it would be much easier not writing them over and over and over again.

The realm shame is what FD did after being intrusted with 1.5mil+ by 26,000 KS backers.
This firestorm would have not happened if they took a moment and ask those backers what they thought.
Further more this firestorm would have not happened if they informed beta-testers of removal of the off-line and offered rebates to anyone who is not happy with this.

If they did this we would be singing their praises and clapping them on their backs... But they didn't and this is a real shame!

For the very last time you do not speak for all 26,000 KS backers, and your minority group certainly don't speak for all that money.
I'm one of them and my money has been well spent.
I have no problem with not having offline mode. It would have been a nice bonus, but it wasn't in any way pivotal to my reason to KS.
Getting the game made was.
Getting it made as multiplayer was.
So please stop using such numbers.
You don't speak for all KS backers, in fact very few of them
Thanks.

 

[piotrr]

I see I got a negative reputation comment for being "I want I want I want I,I,I,I,I yea we get it self-important ..have you even heard yourself lol".

Thing is, none of us are here because we want a game made for someone else full of stuff we don't want.

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For the very last time you do not speak for all 26,000 KS backers, and your minority group certainly don't speak for all that money.

Does any of you have any numbers at all? You say "minority" yourself, but has there actually been anything even close to a census on this?

Remember again that you are trying to compare people who happily commune with other players, and players who would have preferred not to do so. You cannot judge their relative sizes on their relative presence in an online community since one will inevitably be more vocal and more highly present.

 

[fraggdya]

Broken promise IMO, not happy.

 

[Commander Debic]

Please moderators I know you started a new thread for this subject, but you frequently merge threads that are contributing nothing new and I often see you merge threads that are going around in circles.

Nothing new is being added to this subject from either side of the argument, and it is orbiting the sun of the debate faster than mercury orbits Sol.

It is monopolizing the forums and is adding nothing but acrimony to the forums. Can you merge and lock the thread with part one, then anyone can go and look at the huge thread-nought.

Then wipe any other threads that try to duplicate the subject matter. Its tired, its old and it has been done to death.

 

[doombadger]

I want an offline mode, or something very much like it, where I don't have other people in my game at all.

Am I missing something here? Solo mode will still exist won't it?

 

[Papa Smurf]

I never said once that I speak for 26,000 ks backers and by now it should be very obvious to anyone here that it is not about the money.
It is about communication, input, and keeping your promises.
It is about being honest and forthcoming.

But realistically I can't expect you to get it...your post screams of "me-me-me-me-me-I'm HAPPY-no-one-else-matters"

Cheers,

For the very last time you do not speak for all 26,000 KS backers, and your minority group certainly don't speak for all that money.
I'm one of them and my money has been well spent.
I have no problem with not having offline mode. It would have been a nice bonus, but it wasn't in any way pivotal to my reason to KS.
Getting the game made was.
Getting it made as multiplayer was.
So please stop using such numbers.
You don't speak for all KS backers, in fact very few of them
Thanks.

 

[phlOgistOn]

I see I got a negative reputation comment for being "I want I want I want I,I,I,I,I yea we get it self-important ..have you even heard yourself lol".

Thing is, none of us are here because we want a game made for someone else full of stuff we don't want.

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Does any of you have any numbers at all? You say "minority" yourself, but has there actually been anything even close to a census on this?

Remember again that you are trying to compare people who happily commune with other players, and players who would have preferred not to do so. You cannot judge their relative sizes on their relative presence in an online community since one will inevitably be more vocal and more highly present.

I was curious about this myself - only data I have found is http://www.kicktraq.com/projects/1461411552/elite-dangerous/#chart-daily

At least half the money was already in the bank before the announcement of offline and although I haven't yet entered it into a spreadsheet it looks like the initial wave of 5k backers means the individual backer count would be leaning that way as well...

No way to show whether backers after the date were pro or con offline though :/

 

[SuBSynk]

Please moderators I know you started a new thread for this subject, but you frequently merge threads that are contributing nothing new and I often see you merge threads that are going around in circles.

Nothing new is being added to this subject from either side of the argument, and it is orbiting the sun of the debate faster than mercury orbits Sol.

It is monopolizing the forums and is adding nothing but acrimony to the forums. Can you merge and lock the thread with part one, then anyone can got and look at the huge threadnought.

Then wipe any other threads that try to duplicate the subject matter. Its tired, its old and it has been done to death.

This ^^^^^^ It really is about time.

 

[OldAl]

Now here's where I get really petty:

I don't want a refund. I'm not applying for a refund, and I'm certainly not going away.
I want an offline mode, or something very much like it, where I don't have other people in my game at all.

I know my disappointment and sadness are really silly and stupid and petty, but that only makes me all the more embarassed and angry that I've been pushed to this point. I can't even just pull out and give up because I've already put a bit if money into it that I probably can't get back even if I try, AND I honstly don't want to abandon Elite because I am emotionally invested too.

I understand that a continually updated dynamic universe blah blah totally not an empty experience blah blah, but I don't care about any of that. I understand there will be "drawbacks" to not being online, but I want it anyway. I'll be fine. Just leave me to my own devices with the game I've dreamt about for seventeen years.

Perhaps FD might consider providing an extended learning mode that could be used offline. That would allow some of us who have to spend time in remoter parts of the world (rural UK) or endure long haul aircraft flights with no broadband connection to practice for the day when we find a good internet connection.

 

[piotrr]

Gives piotrr a lollipop and a balloon

Thanks for trying, guy. Wouldn't even have helped seventeen years ago, I'm afraid.

I wonder if I'm alone in feeling both disappointed and annoyed or shamed that I'm actually disappointed. Such conflicting emotions are prone to cause violent outbursts in certain types of people, and we have seen quite a few hostile outbursts these past few days.

 

[foxpur]

Am I missing something here? Solo mode will still exist won't it?

Solo mode works fine, I spend most of my games in there.