No Single Player Offline Mode then? [Part 2]
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the only numbers ANYONE has other than FD themselves, are the various polls to be had on this forum. The highest number in any of them I have seen has been 97 who would ask for a refund about 9% of those who took part. That is by any stretch a minority.
Anything else is delusional on your part unless YOU can provide numbers to the contrary. Every single poll on here has shown similar minority numbers.
And that is the ONLY numbers anyone except FD has, but it is typical. Face it, your unhappy, but a very small minority.
Commander Debic,
I agree with you but I would not lock this thread till all the refunds are completed. Once this is done this thread will fizzle out.
I agree with you but I would not lock this thread till all the refunds are completed. Once this is done this thread will fizzle out.
Vlodec
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Yes and it will have other people exploring your planets and interacting with your markets and if you return to the game after a few weeks of not playing the world you were playing in will have changed.
Oh sure Debic and Subsynk won't have ganked me for my loot, but that's only part of it.
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I've been getting bad rep throughout this thread, both parts. Learn to laugh at it.
Mostly positive actually. Not really in a laughing mood. Pretty much just didn't want the low-level constant vitriol go unmentioned.
[takes away the lollipop and bolloon from piotrr]
Not to mention all those people who just paid their money and then haven't been bothered to check in every second of the day or get involved in the testing process. Many of these people won't even find out until the final product is released.
I'm a bit annoyed, I have very neurotic ISP and it goes off regularly, sometimes up to a week. Was hoping to play in that gap. I have lots of other game however. I prefer solo mode which is NON-MMO online, which is fine. But I know I will feel it when I next lose my ISP.
all I'm asking you to do is stop using figures of 26,000 backers and 1.5 mill implying all are unhappy with this decision. We are not. The only ones screaming "me me me" are the people like you who want refunds, for myriad reasons.
I understand and sympathise with your situation, but stop using such figures to back up your personal angst because they are far from the true representation of backers.
That is all.
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Polls on here are about as indicative of the real situation as me throwing a handful of grass to the wind and counting the bits that land on my shoes.
It's a bit hard to make out exactly, but you seem to be talking about polls on the question of how many people would want a refund, not how many are disappointed with the lack of an offline mode. Those are two very different things.
It also seems that you are talking about taking statistics from the people who are already HERE, already engaged enough to search out those polls you are talking about, which isn't exactly statistically reliable due to selection bias. Not sure what numbers you think I am being delusional about - I was asking, I wasn't claiming. I can't even make out who you think was in minority, or exactly what the question was.
We will not allow name calling and insults. Discuss the topic not the person.
It tells me you are standing in a field of grass, which in itself means you aren't looking in other biomes.
You see you make assumptions. I cannot abide PVP and only play group online with my partner or solo, or in the PVE Mobius group. So pleaase keep your assumptions of what I would do to yourself as they do not reflect the reality of my playstyle.
There's not a damn thing that's silly or stupid or petty about anything you've written. Don't be afraid of the trolls on this thread who would say such things to you. True pettiness lies with them: they're not happy to simply live and let live. Instead of just excitedly anticipating their massively multilayer online wreck, they have to come here and give their two cents at every opportunity, poking holes in every argument against FD's decision. They delight in rubbing salt in your wounds. That's pettiness. What's NOT petty is a customer who wants what he or she wants, who expects what he or she was originally promised.
I agree with you. Refunds---though I believe people are entirely entitled to them---will be here today and gone tomorrow. They'll last only until the person spends that money elsewhere. But offline single player, as promised, is a means to have Elite Dangerous forever (or at least until we die or the power goes out). Single player offline games were a staple of gaming long before this ridiculous online revolution took place. Some would argue that the very best contemporary games are still offline single player. Wanting what gamers have enjoyed for decades is far from silly, stupid or petty. Wanting an Elite game which is a successor to Elite games of old---and by that I mean single player offline without the need to occasionally connect and update---is perfectly normal. And you would realize this, too, if so many trolls and apologists hadn't come out in force for the sole purpose of engaging themselves in a debate that they really have no stake in.
Well, seems to me the online solo won't actually require an actually constant connection, more like every now and then, while hypering and docking etc. Still... going down for a week probably isn't going to be allowed. You wouldn't even be able to log in.
And those requests have been re-opened. It's been one day for pity's sake... One freaking day. I've worked in a lot of corporate environments, and it takes time to put procedures in place to deal with an unforseen event.
And please don't insult my intelligence by telling me that FD could see this coming. Are you going to tell me they saw such vitriolic hatred on the basis of having their game no longer be feasible to develop for an offline platform? I didn't see this coming, and I could see the game becoming online-only a while ago given the lack of any offline features having been added in that time.
Clearly they were having trouble achieving the goal. Declaring that they were having difficulties earlier, and that there might have been a possibility of losing the offline component would have only caused this uproar earlier, at a time when they were busy testing other critical elements of the game. They simply decided to try it out for as long as they could, until there was no denying that the offline component was no longer feasible, at which point they told us all they could no longer do it.
Now you can act all cynical as much as you like and pretend that they just kept it to themselves for some ulterior motive all you like, but unless you can prove that this was their intention all along to deceive you, then you have no business accusing them of dishonesty or malevolence in this matter...
And yet you continue to do so.
Correct solo mode will exist. Use the search button there are some very good posts on the difference between offmode and solo mode. In a nutshell the galaxy was not supposed to change in offline mode. So if you find a good route for ore sale it will be that way when you come back days later. If solo mode you are just hidden with a cloak and no one can see you and you can see anyone. But those cloaked players around will still affect that good route for ore sale you find before logging off and it may not be a good route when you come back few days later. PM if I failed to explain it.
Cheers,
Many people are very emotional about the games. Especially the games they liked playing when they were young and beautifullThat is nostalgia element. Other people are just used to play the game at their own will and pace. And that is the problem DB didn't taken into account. I bet most of offliners are old guard players with wonderfull memories on Frontier and Elite theyy have played in childhood. And waited for remake of the game for 20 years. Patiently. That is why they take this so hard. That is why such dissappointed. SomElement that was meant to connect past and the future was knocked away.
DB should have investigated right before kickstarter how many people actually wanted badly offline mode. And what does it mean for them. He just made a crucial mistake. Thinking that everybody is thinking alike. Thinking like him. And he kapt pushing his vision not even bothering to stop for a moment and make a few checks.And that is what this all misunderstanding is about.
To be fair the KS was always about an online version of ED - that was FDs aim, not an offline version. Their mistake was saying "yes" to a feature they didnt really want to do. Now they pay the price for it - I bet lesson learned.
Also, repeatedly throughout the KS David said they were making the game THEY wanted to play and you were being invited along. That was the vison they were pushing - you didnt have to back the game. (Now, if you did on the basis solely of an offline mode then submit for a refund)
FDs made a mistake - being part of the DDF I can see how it came about based in part on feedback from us. We were very concerned with hacking, cheating, and other such things, and the ony way in which to protect against it was to move functions server side : common practise. I guess they got carried away and forgot about offline mode (as that was never their vision) until it was too late.
However, they are working on it.
Yes they made a promise, didnt expect the reaction they got, around the internet they're paying for it, and in time things will be OK again. From the sounds of your posts however I dont think even that will be enough for you.
It also means that another player hasn't farmed all the grass from this particular biome while I was logged out of solo online. A very unlikely event.
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