that has been my experience so far ... in space on my own the npcs behave normally, but with other players they warp about somewhat (being grouped with peeps across the world when i am on the eqvalent of dial up
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No Single Player Offline Mode then? [Part 2]
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that has been my experience so far ... in space on my own the npcs behave normally, but with other players they warp about somewhat (being grouped with peeps across the world when i am on the eqvalent of dial up
)Do a little search for the word "Physical" on the KS page and look at what you find.
Like many other kickstarts, the ED one tagged with the word "physical" any rewards that would require real world delivery. Which is why you will see among the optional rewards things like "physical CD", "physical paperback copy", "physical hardback copy", and "physical 3D model". Thus, a "Physical DRM-free boxed edition" means a real world boxed edition that is DRM-free, rather than a boxed edition that does not have a physical DRM.
Besides, trying to use the meanings the way you point in order to weasel out of the promise of being DRM-free is the kind of behavior that easily makes me stop dealing with a company. And in some places of the world it alone might be considered fraud if intentional.
BTW, if you think about lies of omission, then those backers that trusted the promise of an offline mode were lied to anyway. While Frontier promised an offline mode, they only intended to deliver it if they could create it without sacrificing their artistic vision for the connected game. But they never explained that last part.
It might have been unintentional, of course, but how they dealt with it going forward, letting it simmer hidden until it all exploded last week, was certainly an error.
If this wasn't a well constructed and polite reply, then nothing is.
Even if you seem to miss the point I tried to make.
I meant that maybe the fellow you claimed to not understand Kickstarter, maybe he didn't even look at the Kickstarter? You know, someone says "E: D is great", he finds the store & forums, search on forums nets him mr Brookes' answer "Offline is in the game" - yay - $/€/£ change owner - come last friday -> big disappointment -> frustration, anger.
I don't say that what I just described is how it happened, I merely advocate giving him the benefit of the doubt.
As you said, peace.
Cheers,
Z
I haven't seen FD once say that this issue was being raised by a tiny minority. Although looking at the KS progress it certainly WAS a minority to some extent being less than half the userbase.
I believe the quote about a 'tiny minority' to which you pertain was regarding personal threats directed at Michael Brookes...
Mr Brabens comment is appreciated, and if offered the refund I will with some sadness take it.
I do not want this to fail for those that remain, I hope it brings them all a lot of enjoyment.
no you are not being petty! I'm in exactly the same place, with exactly the same thinking.
David and Michael both explicitly said there would be an offline game! the fact that they have failed to deliver on that is no fault of yours, ignore the white knights / sycophants attempts to portray us as the flamers!
for me this isn't about destroying Frontier Developments, nor about killing/boycotting ED: online, just about delivering what was promised!
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Fantastic! I thought the same but wanted more opinions. If I could bother you further, about multiplayer p2p. Let's say that there are 2 peers in an instance. One becomes the server, handling the AI and transmitting the info to the other peer? Or if you have a link to technical discussions about this, just point me to that. Thanks!
Connect to play multiplayer - sounds legit
Connect to synch with server - Sounds like ME/Torchlight etc. who synch with the server when they can or when you tell them to - but no server connection is required.
Contrast with Online Solo Play -
1) Login - game phones home
2) play game
3) system constantly talks to server asking if login is still valid and pushing and pulling data constantly
4) Lose connection - Get booted
Contrast with how other games with the "not always connected" work it (These games have DRM btw, just not 'always on' DRM)
1) Start game
2) Get message that you are in offline mode and cannot connect to server
3) Play anyway.
OR
1) Start Game
2) Lose connection
3) Keep playing
It was not so hard to believe that the Big Gigantic Server out there was going to be available only when you wanted it.
Shroud of the Avatar has advertised the same setup - And is keeping people updated on the status of offline play and what they are doing about making sure it is still possible.
From their description of "solo", it looks to be server-side.
I say this because of their insistence on a shared global event stream. Why should they trust your client to tell them that you just killed pirate X if they can't trust your client to make market calculations? They have to know that pirate X actually exists. The only way to know that is if they tell your client that it exists.
So you don't actually know then?
All NPCs look to be instanced locally to me. There is no lag and sometimes you get the same NPC reappearing even after you have killed him....
Locally. Solo mode has always been smooth for me, even in the most terrible patch iterations when Open was just not an option.
Not that I'm judging yiou or picking you up. It's all lost for us now anyway, but during that time on DDF... didn't you ever, ever thought about the vast majority of people outside of forum and what they might want? Cause as it sounds now, and I now this may sound inpolite and rude (not my intention to attack you), you used funds from all the backers to pursue your private wishes and priorities, in the closed sessions with FDs, without stoping and thinking that - hey, maybe we shoul'd leave that for all the folks that might not like our idea and they are not discussing or are not even on the forum?! Yes, you got carried away and now we pay the price.
Anyway, I hope the majority of comunity will enjoy the game!
The physical copy of the game will contain no DRM in its code...so the KS reward is still completely feasible which is what seems to be the question? Basically people looking for other options to pursue refunds with some legal backup in black and white.
I repeat
A tiny minority can be accomodated
FD have already admitted fault in failure to communicate the inability to implement offline
They may be able to get off the hook by legal eagle
But apart from fan boys the rest of the kickstarter universe will see them for the corporate creeps they are.
Sounds like someone needs to go for a walk... Chill brother. Remember this is only an on-line forum nothing to lose sleep over!
No, it's only solo offline that's been axed.
You'll still be able to play solo online, which features a shared galaxy but you won't see any other players. The shared galaxy means that you'll have a more dynamic world to play in than you ever would have if you played solo offline. The only bandwidth solo online will use is to pull market prices, system data and other game-world related stuff. You won't need anything like the bandwidth required by those who will be playing in full multiplayer modes.
I missed that. Thanks for posting! That's the type of attitude I would expect from a crowdfunded project. A little care goes a long way
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