Ok sorry about that but anyone with forum experience will know that misapprehensions are commonplace. Agree totally on on promises
I see the offline mode as a sop to whitewash the abandonment of a promise.
No Single Player Offline Mode then? [Part 2]
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Ok sorry about that but anyone with forum experience will know that misapprehensions are commonplace. Agree totally on on promises
I see the offline mode as a sop to whitewash the abandonment of a promise.
https://streammygame.com/smg/index.php
Take your pick, they have a nice library of old games that you can stream via their service. It's a new technology though, so perhaps E
will be one of the first standalone versions?Not everyone gets newsletters DraigUK. It has been almost two years since this project started. This is another reason why after being given 1.5mil to develop Elite you should still update people on KS!
I have done that few times myself Hypergreathhing. I think Jonbe54 is doing some unsuccessful speed reading!
Papa at times intent can be muddied by lack of context, that is the problem with ONLINE communications
That's what I've been saying about Google Mail for ages. I'm sick of their DRM just to get my email! those darned white knights in their boards though, so annoying.
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If I may?
The DDF did not get "carried away" (okay, maybe we did a bit sometimes, but we were often asked to by Frontier
Everyone (to my knowledge) used their own funds to be part of the DDF... we didn't use funds "from all the backers".
As for myself, I was only really interested in playing offline for the most part, but when the topics came up - I tried to put myself in the position of someone who was interested primarily in the online version, because that was an important part of the game & the hardest to get right. The potential for screw ups in the online portion is far more wide ranging than the offline portion. The whole point of the discussions was to try and find holes in FD's designs & offer suggestions to make the experience better for all.
In retrospect, I feel a bit silly for not noticing this (as a software dev myself) but it never occurred to any of us that offline would be scrapped as a result. It does kind of prove the adage though that sometimes the best place to hide something is in plain sight.
Agreed. The changes from the DDF (and other feedback) have made the game better. The decision to remove offline is nothing to do with the DDF - can we leave the conspiracy theories out of the discussion? There was no sinister plot.
Michael
The situation here right now is the main reason I was annoyed about the online login requirement... I can't play the game I've paid for because the servers are down for maintenance. It matters not that it might only be for an hour or two - it's preventing me from playing the game, and that is not good, no matter how you choose to justify this decision. The error message tells me there is a webpage with details about the scheduled downtime, so I go there, only to be told :
"Work in progress, back soon.
We are updating Elite: Dangerous Game Support. Thanks for your patience, we'll be back soon."
Not exactly helpful.
"Work in progress, back soon.
We are updating Elite: Dangerous Game Support. Thanks for your patience, we'll be back soon."
Not exactly helpful.
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Papa at times intent can be muddied by lack of context, that is the problem with ONLINE communications
True true true...
A bit off topic but as interesting as muddied by lack of context. Do you think "fun-boys" would jump off the bridge if FD told them they would be ok, or would they actually think and assess the situation they are in and not jump? I really would hope they wouldn't but...
I agree that this would have been a much better way to deal with the situation. Frontier screwed up. They got carried away and overpromised. Then they tried to avoid inevitable disappointment by trying to find a solution for too long. Thus they broke the bad news too late and too clumsily. Then they were not prepared for the backlash.
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However you keep accusing Frontier of wilful and deliberate deceit. When people then challenge you on that, you say: "How can you defend their actions?!" People are not defending their actions; they are challenging your interpretation of them as wilfully dishonest and deceitful.
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While I've got no issue with the online modes and is what I will always be playing, I do have issue with the fact that offline was part of the kickstarter pitch and confirmed later by FD only to be dropped essentially at the eleventh hour. I feel for all those that legitimately only backed or bought into the game on the premise of this promised core feature / version of the game.
I doubt anything myself or anyone else says at this point can sway FD from the road they have taken and only hope that those legitimate people get their money back if that is what they wish. It's definitely changed the light in which I look at FD. I had been discussing the matter on another forum with a friend (we are both Star Citizen backers) and he had some pretty good points on the matter I thought worth re-posting here:
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I doubt anything myself or anyone else says at this point can sway FD from the road they have taken and only hope that those legitimate people get their money back if that is what they wish. It's definitely changed the light in which I look at FD. I had been discussing the matter on another forum with a friend (we are both Star Citizen backers) and he had some pretty good points on the matter I thought worth re-posting here:
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There only NEEDS to be control when you are playing multiplayer games to keep it fair. I'm pretty sure nobody here is arguing that point. We're talking about offline, single player mode that will effect nobody but the player of that game.
of course not, I just don't nappy change supposed adults.
I've already (among others) offered to give you your refund out of my own wallet. Why do you not respond to this kind and generous offer to alleviate your butthurt and move on?
that is what you wish is it not? To get a refund? Or do you write for the sake of writing?
Why do you not comment on the guy who stated offline has been available during Beta and has started a petition to get it reinstated?
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That's not all of it.
The point was/is that offline is not a synonym for single player anymore
Cloud based gaming is almost exactly what Elite is going to be - I was just using flash games as an easy to comprehend online argument but your pushing of the point made me wrack my brain for a moment and come up with a more valid example since it's the offloading of heavyduty information processing onto the server that's the key here, so thanks for that
You probably should be careful with this kind of thinking. Playing a single player game should be offline. Why in the heck would it be otherwise? If you are playing a single player game that requires you to keep a connection, then you are playing a game that has DRM. They may give you any and all kinds of excuses, of course they will make it sound like they are doing you a favor and will make it sound like the best thing since buttered bread, but in reality you are being taken for a ride.
I have been watching this trend over the last few years, so far they have been mildly successful in getting the gamers to buy into this "always on," mentality, thanks to things like steam etc.
I suggest you think very closely about what is really going on. More and more, things are moving in the direction of you buying something that you never really take possession of. In effect, what often seems to be the case is, you are only renting a game, when you think you are buying. Buying implies possession, permenant possession until the buyer decides to relinquish it, not the seller.
I think the problem for the most people are that you bought a product that at any given time could be useless when the servers are down for whatever reason, we learned the lesson from the Gamespy fiasco. People are afraid because the game is bound to a server which might be disabled in a few years, because of bad sales that makes the costs of running the server to high for frontier, I think its very unlikely to happen but thats my concern at least. I just hope when things come dangerous that they will release an offline client if the server costs are too high with too few players playing in it. Just my 2 cents.
I think they have already said that they would look to release the server code so gameplay could continue, albeit in a more static form of the galaxy. If it weren't too much trouble, what with Moore's Law etc. perhaps it would be quite feasible for a modest machine 5-10 years from now to run the full simulation on a desktop PC.
Multiple times it has been requested to stop the arguing here on the forum.
The bickering needs to stop and not start again.
If you can't discuss things without resorting to sniping then don't post until you've had the time to think about your answer.
The bickering needs to stop and not start again.
If you can't discuss things without resorting to sniping then don't post until you've had the time to think about your answer.
One arbitrary definition cannot be considered another arbitrary definition... but there can be overlap.
(As an aside, that last bit is problematic, but I know you didn't know or mean it that way.)
We all get it Nexxo... But this info shouldn't come from you but from FD. Also there is only one way to fix this major frack up!
1) Apologize, Beg for Forgiveness, Throw yourself at the mercy of people,
2) Offer full refunds to anyone that feels that this change breaks the commitment that was made (and pray to all the gods you believe in that this will be forgotten and people believe you)
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