No Single Player offline Mode then?

[littleminxundr]

I think you overestimate the power of the Liqua!
Don't get me wrong I really like him and he's certainly added a great deal to these forums and the DDF over the last two years... but, let's be honest, if he hadn't taken the 5k pledge tier somebody else would have, and I'm sure he'd be fairly incredulous if FD decided that the game lived or died on his opinion.
It's not the first time that some of the higher tier backers have stormed off over some perceived (whether real or imagined) sleight by FD, mostly to return later, and no doubt it won't be the last.

Still he isn't any backer... He is the highest tier backer. Paying 5000GBP must count for something right? At least more than "Let's hear the crummy name you want that system to have. Don't sit down, you won't stay long enough for that. Now shut up and get out, rube."

And this isn't a slight, this is the dropping of a solid feature a month before launch, a feature that was used as a buy-in insurance right up until FD canned it.

And in another perspective: People are so afraid now that their pet-feature won't make it in that I read lines like "It can come back after walking around your spaceship has been implemented". Hmmmm...

 

[Ikari]

Next: "We have to introduce a subscription or we cannot afford to keep the servers running"

This is my greatest fear but I think it would be very unwise of FD to drop this one.....

 

[strangerdanger]

So....is it me or it is just petty revenge then?

It will be some news with comment sections full of people complaining how everything is online only these days. It's not first KS to dropping features. Won't be last. But I don't think it will change anything.

It's unacceptable behavior on display by FD and they deserve the backlash.

The fact that you're still here defending them makes me want to stop reading your posts entirely since nothing of value is to be gained. You're in a comfort zone where you don't mind the developer dropping features left and right - cool. Go make a thread about it, stop littering here.

 

[noodle]

You want to know the definition of irony?

I could respond to the majority of your short responses in this thread with the exact same quip.

I have to admit, that was my first thought too

 

[sbdags]

The thing that saddens me the most throughout this long thread is the total lack of compassion for our fellow gamers.

I have a good net connection and a great isp, my connection is fast (fibre) and usually very reliable and that means I can play Elite Dangerous just fine and no offline mode won't personally affect me but I'm not selfish enough to not care about others.

Some here will be affected greatly, some have flakey net at the best of times and will have problems with the game constantly disconnecting etc etc. Some others who paid at the kickstarter will now not be able to play because the have no home internet (even in the uk our broadband coverage is not 100% and only 77% of uk households have internet access)

I really feel for these people and I can think how upset I would be if I was in their place. I hope Frontier change their mind and make some kind off offline version for these people, even if its a cut-down version of the game.

Please lets stop the 'I'm alright jack' attitude and consider other people. Thank you

It's a bit higher than that but yes I feel the same sentiment.

"In Great Britain, 22 million households (84%) had Internet access in 2014, up from 57% in 2006."

I don't think Frontier can change their code now. Certainly not for a Dec release. It remains to be seen if pressure forces them to release an offline version later.

I'd rather they fix the online version first though.

 

[Seonid]

The thing that saddens me the most throughout this long thread is the total lack of compassion for our fellow gamers.

Oh I have compassion for them, I do understand their position and I also think it's a sad thing. Unless of course they start making threats and talking about conspiracy to defraud , in which case I have no compassion at all.

 

[khaitom]

I'm sure I'm not the only one who would consider picking up Liqua's top tier pledge. Providing I get to change the names he/she already picked.

 

[OriginalBadBoy]

I find these posts pretty hilarious. We're supposed to downplay the fact that a large number of backers and buyers can no longer play the game on release. How does it get any more catastrophic than that?

Evidence of a 'large number of backers and buyers' please?

In reality this will probably affect 1% of the total number of players ... So yeah its over exaggeration in the extreme sense.

There is a big difference between people literally having no or a useless internet connection and people that don't agree with FD's decision. Liqua being a perfect example of that.

 

[stimutacs]

I've got to say I'm curious how some people think this will play out in the wider world.

Amazingly "You deserve nothing" doesn't seem to be the most awesome sales pitch going by early reactions.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=933661

Oh geez I just remembered how much the RPS folks hate online only and bait and switch (I'm not sure I've yet seen anyone game to combine the two into one news item yet) too :/

 

[enbeekay]

Still he isn't any backer... He is the highest tier backer. Paying 5000GBP must count for something right? At least more than "Let's hear the crummy name you want that system to have. Don't sit down, you won't stay long enough for that. Now shut up and get out, rube."

And this isn't a slight, this is the dropping of a solid feature a month before launch, a feature that was used as a buy-in insurance right up until FD canned it.

And in another perspective: People are so afraid now that their pet-feature won't make it in that I read lines like "It can come back after walking around your spaceship has been implemented". Hmmmm...

the £5000 tier wasnt just to name a system, it was all the rewards of all the tiers up to £3000...

 

[strangerdanger]

Evidence of a 'large number of backers and buyers' please?

In reality this will probably affect 1% of the total number of players ... So yeah its over exaggeration in the extreme sense.

There is a big difference between people literally having no or a useless internet connection and people that don't agree with FD's decision. Liqua being a perfect example of that.

Evidence of 1% of the total number of players please?

Stop downplaying it. There have been droves of people in this thread stating their Internet is spotty at best or they work in areas without any at all. Seriously, this kills the game.

 

[DhuAlan]

It's a bit higher than that but yes I feel the same sentiment.

"In Great Britain, 22 million households (84%) had Internet access in 2014, up from 57% in 2006."

I don't think Frontier can change their code now. Certainly not for a Dec release. It remains to be seen if pressure forces them to release an offline version later.

I'd rather they fix the online version first though.

And what cast iron guarantee do you have that they will fix the online code?

 

[Vlodec]

My sincere sympathies to those who backed ED under the impression that an offline mode would be available and who fear they won't be able to play at all without it. It's become increasingly apparent recently that FD bit off more than they could chew and that to release in December would mean a slimmed down version. I confess though I never anticipated this and am disappointed by the news. My own connection is excellent and so I don't need to have an offline mode, but I was looking forward to it nonetheless and feel let down by its withdrawal. I would hope to see DB make a statement on the issue, explaining why it was done, and when - not if but when - we can expect to see an offline mode introduced, but I'm not optimistic. That's not been their modus operandi so far.

Furthermore I have to agree with some of the posts who have commented on the manner in which the news was imparted. They tried to mitigate its effect with mealy mouthed verbiage, and that kind of approach never works in my experience. It just makes people all the more angry and resentful.

What troubles me the most is what this might portend for the future. Whichever way you look at it - and no doubt some will say it portends nothing - it's hardly a confidence building event.

 

[littleminxundr]

I guess some people are surprised because of this -

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=56686

Note the dates.

Particularly

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=56686&p=984344&viewfull=1#post984344

on 12/11/14

Literally days before the newsletter people were still being directly told by mods in response to specific questions that they would receive a DRM free, offline playable game. This wasn't something the mods made up, they were going on the same information as everyone else outside FD. This went on for years. Are you surprised that somehow people got the idea that this is what they would receive?

Tell me about it. I have shown this time and time again and it has been dismissed by more than a few people. (I believe someone even said it was a figment of my imagination, though that can easily be related to something else, lol. It's been a rough weekend.)

 

[strangerdanger]

I've got to say I'm curious how some people think this will play out in the wider world.

Amazingly "You deserve nothing" doesn't seem to be the most awesome sales pitch going by early reactions.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=933661

Oh geez I just remembered how much the RPS folks hate online only and bait and switch (I'm not sure I've yet seen anyone game to combine the two into one news item yet) too :/

Who needs other people to buy this game? I'm sure Pecisk and friends can support this game for decades on their wallets alone.

Surely?

 

[Cmdr Eagleboy]

It's unacceptable behavior on display by FD and they deserve the backlash.

It was Kickstarter project, game not in development. There's always risks involved. People have rights to be angry? Sure. FD should be pointed out in many ways how not to do that? Yeah. Specially keep poking FD and trying to spread hysterical message? Not sure I can understand that, but hey, I am just saying what I am thinking here.

The fact that you're still here defending them makes me want to stop reading your posts entirely since nothing of value is to be gained. You're in a comfort zone where you don't mind the developer dropping features left and right - cool. Go make a thread about it, stop littering here.

I am not defending anyone. FD made mistake promising that feature, period. I have said this many times, they should have stuck with original vision. But that's all I will say. Everything else is blown up out of proportions anyway.

 

[Jason S]

And its not just about internet connection.

It is about this with no offline just becomes anouther game in the you are at the mercy of the company servers game. Which is fine if this is not the game you were waiting for thirty years to play and wish to play it for the next thirty years and spent hundreds of pounds on it.

 

[Cmdr Eagleboy]

Evidence of 1% of the total number of players please?

Stop downplaying it. There have been droves of people in this thread stating their Internet is spotty at best or they work in areas without any at all. Seriously, this kills the game.

No, it doesn't. But hey, you can keep going at it

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I've got to say I'm curious how some people think this will play out in the wider world.

Amazingly "You deserve nothing" doesn't seem to be the most awesome sales pitch going by early reactions.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=933661

Oh geez I just remembered how much the RPS folks hate online only and bait and switch (I'm not sure I've yet seen anyone game to combine the two into one news item yet) too :/

Did you even read that thread you posted?

 

[strangerdanger]

It was Kickstarter project, game not in development. There's always risks involved. People have rights to be angry? Sure. FD should be pointed out in many ways how not to do that? Yeah. Specially keep poking FD and trying to spread hysterical message? Not sure I can understand that, but hey, I am just saying what I am thinking here.



I am not defending anyone. FD made mistake promising that feature, period. I have said this many times, they should have stuck with original vision. But that's all I will say. Everything else is blown up out of proportions anyway.

Games have fallen at this type of DRM. Sim City is a dead franchise because of it. You really think this is blown out of proportion? No. With the promised offline mode, not only could people play who don't have quality Internet, but also everyone else had a backup plan in case servers go down, FD go out of business, or anything really. You could always just play the game you bought. That's now dead.

And that's not okay.

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No, it doesn't. But hey, you can keep going at it

Mainstream media are already picking up on what's going on here. I really don't need to do anything.

 

[sbdags]

And what cast iron guarantee do you have that they will fix the online code?

I don't - that was my point.