So if they'd scrapped multiplayer you wouldn't have expected an apology? I really don't care if it was or was not set in stone. If you advertise to people a product as having a certain feature, take their money and then remove that feature, that is wrong. It deserves, at the very least, a decent apology.
No Single Player offline Mode then?
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So if they'd scrapped multiplayer you wouldn't have expected an apology? I really don't care if it was or was not set in stone. If you advertise to people a product as having a certain feature, take their money and then remove that feature, that is wrong. It deserves, at the very least, a decent apology.
And the PvPer's rejoice....there is nowhere to hide now? I always hated the PvP argument to 'go play offline if you didn't like being killed', but that is now an impossibility. It leaves me wondering how many traders will make it through the first month of being ganked all the time because that will happen. It's a concern that this will become the next Eve online where new players won't have a chance to learn and enjoy the game before they just give up due to PvP.
I was always going to give open a fair try but I inevitably resigned myself to most likely having to play offline just so I could actually play. A bit of PvP from time to time is fun I just have an awful feeling it's just become a total shoot em up. Pirating has it's place my concerns are aimed at those who just kill you for no reason at all and there are quite a lot out there who just love to ruin your day for no other reason than they can.
Will there be a reporting system which will actually work to stop this? Will there be an option to play without PvP?
Has the offline mode been dumped just because perhaps not many would play online due to PvP and the devs want people killing each other (I don't buy the reasons given...it's remove the choice. Perhaps accumulating wealth sounds 'unacceptably limited and static' to some but to others seeing how quickly they can make their first billion IS the game).
Flame away
PvPers try to push message that single player online is "offline", that's why they are using that terminology. Still, it doesn't change that people can fly safely in 'Solo' Online mode.
And the PvPer's rejoice....there is nowhere to hide now? I always hated the PvP argument to 'go play offline if you didn't like being killed', but that is now an impossibility. It leaves me wondering how many traders will make it through the first month of being ganked all the time because that will happen. It's a concern that this will become the next Eve online where new players won't have a chance to learn and enjoy the game before they just give up due to PvP.
I was always going to give open a fair try but I inevitably resigned myself to most likely having to play offline just so I could actually play. A bit of PvP from time to time is fun I just have an awful feeling it's just become a total shoot em up. Pirating has it's place my concerns are aimed at those who just kill you for no reason at all and there are quite a lot out there who just love to ruin your day for no other reason than they can.
Will there be a reporting system which will actually work to stop this? Will there be an option to play without PvP?
Has the offline mode been dumped just because perhaps not many would play online due to PvP and the devs want people killing each other (I don't buy the reasons given...it's remove the choice. Perhaps accumulating wealth sounds 'unacceptably limited and static' to some but to others seeing how quickly they can make their first billion IS the game).
Flame away
There's still Solo online play....sorry
This is pathetic. Get a grip, people. We gamers keep bringing shame on ourselves over and over. [Redacted]
This will get drowned in the mountain of bile, but I for one, am super stoked for release, and want to thank frontier for busting their asses on this.
This will get drowned in the mountain of bile, but I for one, am super stoked for release, and want to thank frontier for busting their asses on this.
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You already have the answers to your questions from Mr Brooks etc,offline is gone its not coming back,what else do you want ? If you want this game to succeed you are not helping.
Check out the thread in the beta forums labelled "Developer comments in single-player offline thread" - should fall under the 'official' category methinks.
There has been official clarification. There will not be an offline mode.
I see what you are saying, but here's a few points:
1. There has not actually been an official announcement that Offline Mode is categorically 100% dead, Michael has said a few times that it is currently impractical and not likely to be implemented; this is not the same as saying it's dead. (I am awaiting Monday morning with glee for clarification on this one point alone, let alone on all the rest of FD's communications on this entire Offline Mode issue).
2. The company that can admit when they are wrong, put in place plans to rectify their mistakes and re-earn the trust of their loyal supporters has infinitely more credibility for me, (and I assume others), than the company that sticks to it's guns in the face of overwhelming user-base opposition, just to satisfy some perceived PR image. (Note I am not saying this is the current situation with FD, it is just an example, but it could be a very real situation for FD in the near future).
3. The reason I still have faith in FD is because of the FA off thread, read it fully and you'll understand; these nay-sayers and couch Nostradamus's who are saying that the decision has been made, stop whinging, get a refund, leave, /thread, etc, are just trolls who haven't a clue about pretty much anything.
Imagine a world - not necessarily even a space age future world - where people have a family or a job! Or even some dim awareness of internet topology combined with a vague notion of geography. That is a world in which this is distinctly not good. I agree, it probably works great in a world composed of reddit gold, a bedsit, and the persistent smell of a cat's bottom in the air. But not the one in which many other people live.
OK, thanx for the link, wbtw.
Dryza.
Dryza.
If the back end databases that control the persistent elements of the galaxy were open to exploitation if publicly visible (despite expending effort to try and secure it), then I doubt you will ever see solo offline. That would be too great a risk commercially and one could only imagine if the states were reversed I.e. no multiplayer and only solo offline. From Michael's statements its one or the other game type (not both), so which would you choose?
And the PvPer's rejoice....there is nowhere to hide now? I always hated the PvP argument to 'go play offline if you didn't like being killed', but that is now an impossibility. It leaves me wondering how many traders will make it through the first month of being ganked all the time because that will happen. It's a concern that this will become the next Eve online where new players won't have a chance to learn and enjoy the game before they just give up due to PvP.
I was always going to give open a fair try but I inevitably resigned myself to most likely having to play offline just so I could actually play. A bit of PvP from time to time is fun I just have an awful feeling it's just become a total shoot em up. Pirating has it's place my concerns are aimed at those who just kill you for no reason at all and there are quite a lot out there who just love to ruin your day for no other reason than they can.
Will there be a reporting system which will actually work to stop this? Will there be an option to play without PvP?
Has the offline mode been dumped just because perhaps not many would play online due to PvP and the devs want people killing each other (I don't buy the reasons given...it's remove the choice. Perhaps accumulating wealth sounds 'unacceptably limited and static' to some but to others seeing how quickly they can make their first billion IS the game).
Flame away
Use the Solo mode...produce also much lag for PVP Players, but they can´t kill you for that...
I REALLY want to see what happens in this Forum if they Announce:
"Sorry no PVP anymore.... after checking all Server Logs we find the Error of the Lags...Too Many PVP Instances. Sorry Folks we right now can´t handle it, so we remove this small part for all, so that we all can enjoy our big envoling Galxy.
Peace is allways better than Fight...."
Sweeping generalisation from someone who is clearly unaffected by the decision and hence doesn't care or have empathy.
P.S. If you had ever compiled a Windows executable for both Win32 and x64 you would know that not only is what you said not anywhere near cut and dry as you think it is, it is in fact plain malarkey; some 32bit applications can run faster than 64bit even through the WoW thunking layer, but I'll leave you to do some research and educate yourself on that one.
1. I think he's been pretty clear it is. I think that's possibly your own interpretation, rather than what he has actually said. Can only suggest re-reading.
2. Even if they believe it will damage the product, which is what Michael is saying? Again, it sounds like you have too much hope when there probably isn't a place for it.
3. That's really not the same thing. Listening to something that won't do what we're saying in #2, isn't listening to what would.
Hope that explains a bit. I feel it's been made perfectly clear: No offline. If you wanted offline, they've suggested asking for a refund. That is clear. However upsetting that is.
It's Beta!!!!! it doesn't matter what they advertise, it would be different for the retail game which is why preorders qualify for refund.If they took away MP you would still have a game so again no need for an apology.
All complaints are null and void, so again what do you all expect to achieve by carrying on with this nonsense?
Solo mode.
Hmm... this thread is now seemingly turning into the "Dead Parrot Sketch".
This off-line feature is dead.
No it's not, it's just pining for the developers. Beautiful ships!
Sorry, it's been stated by Michael that it would be completely impractical to build an off-line version as it would effectively be a separate game build mostly from scratch and Frontier don't have the time, money or man power to do it. Wishing this away isn't going to help.
Now, we need to grieve and move on, but not lose track of the fact that Frontier made a complete mess of this.
This off-line feature is dead.
No it's not, it's just pining for the developers. Beautiful ships!
Sorry, it's been stated by Michael that it would be completely impractical to build an off-line version as it would effectively be a separate game build mostly from scratch and Frontier don't have the time, money or man power to do it. Wishing this away isn't going to help.
Now, we need to grieve and move on, but not lose track of the fact that Frontier made a complete mess of this.
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