Don't forget that if we stick to his analogy the car doesn't exist yet... its purely a blue print and in your case your home is still a plot of flat land that still required building permission
Well, quite.
No Single Player offline Mode then?
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Well, quite.
Feels more like the end of the beginning, but that's just me.
Yeah and the final product exists, sure its gone through design changes, which every product does but its not like they took the cash and delivered nothing.
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Do not think so ... they cut a promise, but the money has no technical problems ...
Yes, even with my limited coding experience, I know bug-free software is practically impossible. But we all know it is entirely possible to make good software that only has a few minor bugs. Is it hard? Yes, but that's why they call it a job, and it's also why they get paid more money than the worker on the assembly line to do it. I don't think anyone asks for a perfect, bug-free game, but a finished product is supposed to run smoothly, yet I keep seeing gaming companies pushing out products that are blatantly unfinished. I know an old time WoW player who just bought the latest expansion, and apparently it is almost unplayable. There are areas in the game where you literally cannot go because your character may get stuck there for hours, and yet there's still people who are sticking up for Blizzard. These are the people I'm talking about, the die hard fanboys who meet all criticism with a fanatical hostility and the same kind of open mindedness you would expect from a religious terrorist.
And, sorry to say, a lot of the "onliners" are acting exactly like that. Not everyone mind you: a lot of guys have shown empathy as well as intellect, and it has been a pleasure to read their posts even though I disagreed with the message, but there are just as many of them who either flat out refuse to listen to the reasons of the "offliners", or are simply too dim-witted to understand them.
No offline. Marketroid spinning. DRM.
Won't buy second and third copy for friends.
You broke my heart.
Won't buy second and third copy for friends.
You broke my heart.
My biggest grip with all this is the fact that Solo (online) means that regions that get explored will show up in my Solo game. The purpose for Solo/Single player is to enjoy the universe on my own especially being a explore type of player I don't like the idea that someone else who isn't in my Solo play can impact it because it's tied in to the multiplayer universe. I think that needs to be taken into consideration I can overlook the offline aspect if they can keep the universe separate between Solo and Multi.
This thing with brand new car remembers me on a comparison.
Its like peoples have preordered a trike. Yea, some are bikers, because it looks so epic, even more epic as compared bikes and some took it only, because its a trike and has 3 wheels. Now the producer tells them (possible already after test drive, papers and everything is ready, payment has been made), that they don't make a trike anymore, but a bike, because it has 2 wheels and this would be good enough. Possible that many peoples would still be okay with it, peoples who are bikers because they would get now a bike who looks and is so epic. But the peoples not able to drive a bike would have a problem because they wanted a trike with 3 wheels, they can drive.
Well, yust some mind game who cross my mind. Yes, i would be able to play Elite Dangerous even with online mode, even be able to drive a bike (at least i have a driver license, even when i don't drive one). But the problem is, when i order a trike (or as another example a car), then i want a car and not a bike. Thats the same with Elite Dangerous. And a offline game is the complete opposite as an online game. So a online and offline game is something complete different like a online only game. Something i haven't pledged.
So did i miss something, or was there still no official statement from Frontier Developments?
Even something really simple. The PICNIC principle applies to software developers as much as it does to users. I know this as I often have PICNIC moments. I did a course on formal specification with Z when I was at University and I suppose there are various strategies like that you can apply to formally "prove" your program does what it's supposed to. But again, enter the Human factor and you cannot guarantee it does what was intended, only that it does what was specified. Intention is quite a nebulous subject isn't it.
Your analysis fails to acknowledge that there will be some amongst the herd who have invested more than just money into this project based on the multiple promises of offline play. How do you suggest they get compensated for that? Or is it that everyone thinks they would have invested anyway?
So whats the difference? Now they have to have 3 versions of the code, online, Solo and offline. And imagine you gotta download the differences every time you log back into the internet. But cmon seriously, I bet its 0.0001% of the users who cant get constant access. Sorry but screw them really. (with respect)
But Solo online is like Open with an island size of 1, i.e. you. Just as FD canned offline solo because of having too many galaxies to admin, so your suggestion would do the same thing and create another galaxy different to the persistent one in Open.
This partly for me too, a bigger part being the longevity of the game. I still play FFE on occasion and have considered that the best software purchase I ever made.
Best intentions to keep the servers up are great, but we've no guarantee how long that will remain the case thereby limiting the longevity of this game.
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Oh my God.
tee heee
May I have some of what you've been smoking? It sounds lovely.
You have little knowledge of consumer law in other countries then. As Stimutacs mentioned, in Australia the ACCC takes a very dim view to anything that even looks a tiny bit suspicious and they are well known for having a hair-trigger. EU consumer law is also pretty robust.
I agree that the refunds are virtually a given in the circumstances but as far as regulatory action, it's all a bit early to say outright that nothing will happen... Yet.
/facepalms
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