No Single Player offline Mode then?

[Muthax]

Can we get some MOD to start suspending trolls? And I don't mean people who are unhappy because they cannot play offline, I mean the ones who have a full history of flame baiting,trolling and SC-fanboying and are taking advantage of this situation to dspread alarm and incite people.

Cleanse! Cleanse!

 

[Herne]

What happens if in 3-4 months we are told that planetary landings won't be happening now as due to technical limitations it's not possible. I suspect some people calling complainers here 'whiners' would change their tune pretty fast.

Unlikely though isn't it ? Your talking about the master of PG. But to directly answer your question, honestly, I would have been happy with the game from beta 2. Solo online at least anyway, multiplayer is much better now in 3.5.

The game as it will be released will be a modern day 1984 Elite but sooo much bigger. The planned expansions would make it possibly the best game I've ever played, Imagine some of those NMS landscapes in ED, with vibrant wildlife and vegetation. Exciting times are ahead !! Keep the faith

 

[Adept]

Probably should have elaborated: When polled, 60% of Beta backers are not pleased with the decision to have the offline version dropped. If they all seek a refund, heck if only half seek a refund, it makes for a way bigger payout then kickstart backers.

Odd. Last I looked at a relevant and properly worded poll the people seeking or considering a refund were at anout 5%

 

[Juniper]

I do expect you indeed may. And those NPC names by KS backers as well.

Btw, I had forgotten how fond some people are of the save & load option. I prefer actions (my own and others) having consequences you can't just take back by loading an earlier save, but that is a matter of taste and preference. If the freedom to never risk anything you can't restore by loading a game is the key thing that makes playing enjoyable and liberating, then I can see how the lack of an offline mode really spoils things.

It's got nothing whatsoever to do with risk. I was one of the ones who campaigned heavily for IronMan mode (don't know if we're getting it or not).

Personally, when I played the original Elite games, if I died in the game (apart from through docking computer bugs) - that was it. I started again. Didn't reload - because that's cheating.

It's less about risk, and far far more about the galaxy being "as you left it" the next time you had a chance to play. That's what save games were used for... at least for me.

I would recommend trying to learn to enjoy a different type of game as well, but that is just because I feel they are missing out a lot if they just abandon Elite altogether. Solo should be close enough to offline for many (but of course not all) of those who normally only play off-line games.

Yep, tried Eve, Ultima, EQ, LOTR, ST: O, ESO... they're all crap for exactly the same reasons.

Other. People. Affecting. My. Game.

Why is this so hard to understand? :S

 

[-o-]

I prefer actions (my own and others) having consequences you can't just take back by loading an earlier save, but that is a matter of taste and preference.

If Mr Braben was able to, do you think he would he Load last Thursday's backup file, or just continue with these consequences?

 

[mbpoblet]

Okay just had a thread closed down and told to post here.

What is the fate of mods with the game? Offline mode would have been great to play with mods.

I'm not that disappointed with the lack of an offline mode as it's very rare I am without internet and tbh most devices can tether to each other nowadays and everywhere has free wi-fi (here in England some cities phone boxes are kitted out with wi-fi as well as buses and trains).

What disappoints me the most is I doubt it'll be easy to mod now. Think of the ships fantastic modders could have created. I could have had Samus' hunter class gunship to fly around in pretending I was playing Metroid Prime 4.

Without an offline mode modding is probably completely ruled out, sadly.

This eventually kills the community, and the game.

 

[RGS]

I thrown my money at FDEV hoping they could achieve their game. So if it would become a solo offline, I would not have been disappointed either. The only thing that could disappoint me is if I wasn't able to play ED at all.

Ermm... But isn't that exactly a large part of the point here? By making it online only (constant connection required, even for 'Solo') some people actually can't play at all.

 

[TheOohChild]

Wow. I've been holding out until gamma, because I didn't want to get burned out. Been a few weeks since I've stopped by here.

This won't really affect me, but it really sucks some folks are not getting the game they thought they were getting. Hope whoever needs a refund will be able to get it.

 

[zaccheus44]

What happens if in 3-4 months we are told that planetary landings won't be happening now as due to technical limitations it's not possible. I suspect some people calling complainers here 'whiners' would change their tune pretty fast.

Or what if, and I think this is more plausible, the 5 new extra ships arent sold at ship yards but on the website store. Ya we backers get a free one but just like that ED becomes pay to win just as it was explicitly stated otherwise to exactly how offline was canceled despite stating explicitly it would be included? Does Adept and friends continue to defend FD?

 

[Only]

Honestly, I think this has two primary things about it.

Firstly; I don't think they thought it would be this "big" of an issue. Considering the overwhelmingly positive reactions to the vast majority of beta users (with the occasional muttering of "too empty" ) considering that all of those beta users are playing online, they figured it was a "smaller" issue then it was; so addressing it via the newsletter seemed reasonable to them.

Secondly; considering all of the work they have ahead of them, they have not been radio silent. Several developers, have been in just this thread alone talking about the issue. The reason why they have not continued to talk about the issue is because there is nothing to talk about.

You say respect goes both ways, but this forum has displayed nothing but contempt towards them. In response their actions have been measured and restrained. They have come in and specified why they did it, if you don't believe them that is your own issue.

I disagree I think most people are simply asking for a professional level of customer service, issue ownership and most of all good communication.

All which which up to this point in my opinion have been sadly lacking.

 

[WeirdWizard]

2014 launch is not rushed - it was planned since start of the year. So in essence, feature wise, with some additions coming (and those additions might be quite significant of importance) this was what they planned for 1.0 (of course they have lot of small tasks on todo list, but in big picture).

Only FD knows for sure if they game is ready. We are playing 5 weeks old build. For end rush time for development next version will be completely different.

Even if the rest of the game was in the state it was implied the release version would be, even if they had actually finished all 25 ships planned for release, even if all the network/multiplayer bugs are fixed.... They still are having to cut offline mode, therefore the game is not ready as per its original goals therefore releasing now is a rush. As it happens I strongly suspect it will be a lot more than just the folks who wanted offline who will be dissapointed with the release build.

So yeah, I think you'll find it hard to muster up a lot of support for the notion that ED has not been rushed to release before its ready.

 

[Ilseroth]

@Wyzak - there will be more information coming soon. We will be issuing further details. We're not ignoring anybody by waiting, we're letting the dust settle, and we're making sure that we get the right message across.

@mdevil666 - We'll get the formal information about that to you as soon as we have it.

@Nick - as Jedra explains, we'll be offering refunds on a case by case basis, more information on that soon.

Thanks guys - we truly appreciate your support, and sincerely hope you understand the reasons behind the decision. The offline mode was impossible to create without compromising the quality of the final product.

Cheers.

Ed

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1461411552/elite-dangerous/comments?cursor=8377610#comment-8377609

No due offense, but that is all information that can be gained from reading his posts in this thread, he was simply posting it there as well, (the fact that he responds to individuals while doing it is nice however, more of a personal touch)

Oh and the talk about "more information soon" that you posted, without posting the context was in response to this

"@Ed I think it's time for a damage control newsletter. The longer you let this wait the more damage is done to FD's reputation and to the future of ED. This needs to be nipped in the butt before it consumes you."

Its not about the possibility of an offline mode, just damage control

 

[Quietman]

Yeah. Sadly its mostly a circular discussion thread until we get more news.

I could wade through thousands of circular/rage/troll posts, (and I have) as long as a the occasional post like -o-'s appears.

Lets face it, this is a complex and serious issue for a lot of people, it isn't disappearing anytime soon unless FD decides to do something about it.

 

[-o-]

Watch this developers expression on the subject of Planetary Landings. The fact is, your words may be closer to the truth than anyone is willing to admit.

http://youtu.be/8yd-m9AR7mY?t=4m38s

Yes... I do remember seeing that. He seemed quite petrified.

 

[amigacooke]

Odd. Last I looked at a relevant and properly worded poll the people seeking or considering a refund were at anout 5%

I'm not considering a refund, but I'm not happy that the offline option has been removed. I accept the explanation that FD are acting in good faith, but it will certainly make me far more wary of large investments in a KickStarter in the future.

 

[mbabbs]

Watch this developers expression on the subject of Planetary Landings. The fact is, your words may be closer to the truth than anyone is willing to admit.

http://youtu.be/8yd-m9AR7mY?t=4m38s

haha (experienced) developers always do that. Its their way of setting expectations so that they can get away with a large time estimate.

 

[Ilseroth]

I disagree I think most people are simply asking for a professional level of customer service, issue ownership and most of all good communication.

All which which up to this point in my opinion have been sadly lacking.

They have been perfectly professional to this point. They haven't been posting antagonizing the community, they have stated time and time again what their principles are.

The only thing they are *not* doing is caving to the vocal demand.

 

[sbdags]

Can we get some MOD to start suspending trolls? And I don't mean people who are unhappy because they cannot play offline, I mean the ones who have a full history of flame baiting,trolling and SC-fanboying and are taking advantage of this situation to dspread alarm and incite people.

Cleanse! Cleanse!

Report the posts when you see them

 

[Only]

They have been perfectly professional to this point. They haven't been posting antagonizing the community, they have stated time and time again what their principles are.

The only thing they are *not* doing is caving to the vocal demand.

I don't agree, but that's ok.

 

[Skizomeuh]

Ermm... But isn't that exactly a large part of the point here? By making it online only (constant connection required, even for 'Solo') some people actually can't play at all.

Ermm... I never questionned that at all nevertheless. From what I read many complaints don't (only) rely on the inability to play the game.