No Single Player offline Mode then?

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DhuAlan

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Well I waited for FD to respomd, and have made my refund request. I'm expecting the <snip>, tbh.
 
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DhuAlan said:
Well I waited for FD to respomd, and have made my refund request. I'm expecting the big FU, tbh. May be they'll offer some lube as compensation in readiness for next time they go for it ;)
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Nope prepare thy self this ones gonna hurt ....no lube.....
 

Vlodec

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Muthax said:
What did he say? The other thread moves way too fast to keep track, sorry
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He said very little, and most of that was anodyne.

He did however say......

"We have no intention of taking the servers down, but I understand what you are getting at. We plan to archive the game from time to time (ie matching client and servers and game world state), and would release such an archive if the servers were to come down. That would also address the issue of how you preserve an online game for the future, from the whole 'retro' perspective."

But when asked who they would release the archive to and what guarantee do we have that said recipients wouls support the game, gave no reply.

And now they're not giving refunds.
 

phlOgistOn

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DhuAlan said:
Well I waited for FD to respomd, and have made my refund request. I'm expecting the big FU, tbh. May be they'll offer some lube as compensation in readiness for next time they go for it ;)
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I'd imagine that anyone with a large number of beta hours logged (which shows a regular internet connection) are probably up the creek - but the quiet ones who don't actually have a net connection to post regularly on the forums are probably getting refunded... just a hunch of mine.

And ofc I don't include any KS backers as being likely to get refunded since KS is a different beast to buying a product directly.
 

SharkH

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Sztripi said:
I have been reading what David Braben is saying. It is all spin.

I feel the pain of the other victims. We have been lied to, and used. I would have never backed an online only game. NEVER.

I unfortunately estimate that the game will fail in about 2 years, maybe faster. The problem is that all the people who wants to play online has already backed Star Citizen. They are invested in it. They will not play ED. In the mean time the upkeep of the servers are costing money. Money they will not have. I say this with sadness, for I was hoping to have a new gem to return year after year (I sometimes play the original Elite even to this day), but now I will never be able to play ED after just short 2 years. Pity. I was really hoping for a new Elite game.
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Thats too pessimistic view :/ ... Considering they are planning to make huge expansions and make profit with them I doubt elite will be over within 2 years and I don't think it costs so much to support their galaxy server.
I guess the income from the cash shop cosmetic items could cover that. Beside this game will be sold for years so there will be always new players and I doubt they will shut down the server else they couldn't be able to sell more copies, even the life cycle of a single player game last longer than that..
 
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Titus Balls

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I'd try Watchdog I know its what people always say but this will impact a large number of people so maybe worth slinging them a tweet or email.
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Can't wait to see old Annie give the hex eye despite the fact that:

http://www.which.co.uk/consumer-rights/regulation/consumer-contracts-regulations

Cancelling digital downloads

The Consumer Contracts Regulations contain specific provisions for digital content.

Retailers mustn’t supply digital content, such as music or software downloads, within the 14 day cancellation period, unless the consumer has given their express consent to this happening.
The consumer must also acknowledge that once the download starts they will lose their right to cancel.

If a consumer doesn’t give their consent, they have to wait until the cancellation period has ended before they can download the digital content.

This is to ensure the digital content is what you want before downloading it.
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Old Annie Stink Eye will be most displeased.


tl;dr - If you wanted offline only mode, you should have waited to download it when you were told it was ready. As you were told it won't now be in, you'd be entitled to a refund. As it is, if you downloaded the game and played it, even solo offline mode, no refund for you.
 
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littleminxundr said:
Actually, I'm the first in this thread to note that refunds would be impossible to obtain; the idea that a refund could be obtained for the pre-order if you Beat-backed is merely a technicality that glinsters to the layman as a loophole. The whole line about being able to be refunded is if you went for the pre-order proper, that one is still not made available to you. The Beta is, and the full game is a reward.
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lol..I read that a couple of times and not really understanding what you're saying :D

Refunds should not be impossible to obtain and a company's terms and conditions are not necessarily binding and/or legal.

I will escalate this as I'm pretty sure it must be bordering on misuse of the sales of goods act or at least some kind of breach of contract.

We shouldn't take it lightly, I am fed up with not being able to play certain stuff cos my ISP is having a bad day..it's wrong on plenty of levels IMO
I've emailed Watchdog so hope others do, at least as a starting point.
 

littleminxundr

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One thing is for certain... there's money to be made with KS and beta-programs. Extremely good money. I would almost try it myself, but I realise that if I try nonsense like that, I'd be going to jail for ten years, lol.
I'm just not that lucky.
 

psyron

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David Braben said:
Back during the Kickstarter, we were clear about the vision, to make a phenomenal new sequel to Elite in an online world, which we believe we are about to deliver. At the time we believed we could also offer a good single player experience, and base an acceptable offline-only experience off that. As development has progressed, it has become clear that this last assumption is not the case. That experience would be empty at best, and even that would take a lot of extra work.

It is not to enforce DRM or advertising as you suggest. We will be judged on quality, and the quality of that game experience would be poor, and we don't want to deliver a poor game. To make a richer offline single player experience has always been possible (and still is) but would be a separate game with its own story content. A huge slice of separate work. We have developed a multi-player game with an unfolding story involving the players, and groups collaborating with specific objectives and taking account of all players behaviour. This is what the game is about. Without this it would not be the rich gaming experience that we will deliver, and would be a great disappointment to all players.

I don't pretend it was an easy decision, but it was done to benefit the game as a whole. One thing we have looked at carefully is our requirements of the network connection. For the single player game they are pretty light. I myself have played the game fine on the train using a laptop on a tethered connection over my phone. Given that this is a game which is only available online, this was the decision we took. I am sorry that people are so upset about it, but it was the right decision.
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Juniper said:
That's an excellent reply David, and something I've been waiting to read for 4 days since Black Friday.

Given that you say a rich offline single player experience is still possible, do you think the demand is there for that, and if so, would you consider it as a (separate) project for FD in the future? Parts of it must surely already be written - just residing in a different place.
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Now i really wonder ... David said exactly the same things i already told you. However my explanation didn't satisfy you.
But happy to see that you got it now. ;)
 
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Mengy

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SharkH said:
Thats too pessimistic view :/ ... Considering they are planning to make huge expansions and make profit with them I doubt elite will be over within 2 years and I don't think it costs so much to support their galaxy server.
I guess the income from the cash shop cosmetic items could cover that. Beside this game will be sold for years so there will be always new players and I doubt they will shut down the server else they couldn't be able to sell more copies
Even the life cycle of a single player game last longer than that..
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You are assuming two things:

1. The game sells well
2. The DLC and expansions sell well


What if most everyone who wants a new Elite has already bought it? What if the launch goes badly and the servers don't hold up like what happened to Simcity 2013? What if the reviews are scathing and bad and turn future buyers away?

Online only is a risky venture, and it puts the game's future in question, no doubt. I hope the game sells well and succeeds, but without an offline mode the lifespan of Elite Dangerous is a very uncertain thing...
 

Titus Balls

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littleminxundr said:
One thing is for certain... there's money to be made with KS and beta-programs. Extremely good money. I would almost try it myself, but I realise that if I try nonsense like that, I'd be going to jail for ten years, lol.
I'm just not that lucky.
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There you go, suggesting Frontier committed Fraud again.

I would say good thing a few people on a forum don't really add up to much or Frontier might have a good case to take people to court for defamation.
 

Driconis

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littleminxundr said:
It all depends on how many hours you can sink in the online, I reckon. I think I can still work in enought time to make the purchase worthwhile, but further money from me is out of the question. They won't get any more out of me than this. Not that it will hurt Frontier if I keep my money to myself, but luckily, where I choose to drop my cash is still my prerogative to decide upon.
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I understand your position I'm glad you can make it work for you. Anyway, from the posts i'm seeing, it appears that they are denying any refund claims at this time so I may simply have to join you in finding a way to make it work for me as well. But they won't get another dime from me that I can assure you.
 

ThatFuzzyTiger

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David didn't answer any of my more technical questions pertaining to offline mode, seemed only more interested in talking puff pieces. Ugh. I'm seriously considering pulling the trigger and having done with this. Why is it so hard to get a straight answer out of someone these days >.<

And yes, like a poster above, if my ISP has a bad day, that means no Elite, I don't fancy that concept whatsoever. I've bought the game, I want to be able to play it when I wish, not when conditions and the stars align and I've made the appropriate sacrifices.
 
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Titus Balls

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Mengy said:
You are assuming two things:

1. The game sells well
2. The DLC and expansions sell well


What if most everyone who wants a new Elite has already bought it? What if the launch goes badly and the servers don't hold up like what happened to Simcity 2013? What if the reviews are scathing and bad and turn future buyers away?

Online only is a risky venture, and it puts the game's future in question, no doubt. I hope the game sells well and succeeds, but without an offline mode the lifespan of Elite Dangerous is a very uncertain thing...
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Sometimes servers don't always hold up well. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-30079037

Day one releases are no different, I'd say more people have come to expect it now.
 

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Titus Balls said:
... tl;dr - If you wanted offline only mode, you should have waited to download it when you were told it was ready. As you were told it won't now be in, you'd be entitled to a refund. As it is, if you downloaded the game and played it, even solo offline mode, no refund for you.
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On the plus side, at least I have learned a valuable life lesson;

I will not, ever, use Kickstarter to support any independent/small shop software development effort. Never ever, never again.

So, thanks for that, FDEV. I appreciate you poisoning the Kickstarter well for me, for all time. :rolleyes: :mad:
 
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