Anyone that has paid for the game! Oh, wait a minute, now I see the problem!
No Single Player offline Mode then?
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Anyone that has paid for the game! Oh, wait a minute, now I see the problem!
I would like to, but in doing so it could be interpreted as divulging sensitive proprietary information; which is probably why Frontier staff cannot explain the technical reasons to any level of satisfaction for people.
But canyou see why it is a difficult discussion to balance?
Of course that is what they are doing, player locations/instance islands and spatial/temporal locality is how they limit the simulations to manageable chunks.
Think of each island, (a player can be an island by himself, obviously in solo mode he always is), as having it's own dynamic simulation, some of it is run server side, but the majority of it is run client side, (hence the P2P networking).
Suggest you ditch your ISP then. If you can get broadband then you should also demand a quality connection. I live in a small town and don't suffer the problems you describe. And if I did I would be seeking a fix.
Well actually, yes and yes. In this line here: "Have it your way, FD, but know that you are alienating your most loyal supporters with this kind of attitude, the very people who, incidentally, were also the most likely to stick around and purchase any future expansions."
It's sad that you feel the need to misrepresent others and belittle their opinions in order to make yourself feel superior, but because I'm not the type to throw tantrums, I'll forgive you
FD broke a promise that was important to a number of people, and they feel let down by that. Can't speak for anyone else, but I'm not demanding that they go back on their decision. It's not the end of the world, and for my own part, I'll still be playing the game. However, it would be nice to hear an apology about how this was handled with a bit of appreciation that people have a reason to be upset. Being upset is not the same thing as being unreasonable.
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Nope, it's the plain truth. I'm not sure how you might see it as "ridiculous".
No it isn't. He's just saying he's sorry that we're upset because it makes him sad. In no way was he apologising. You don't apologise for something and then say it was the right decision. "I'm sorry that you're upset about me smacking you about the head with a shovel but it was the right thing to do.".
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Not in any way.
Or even if he believes it was the right decision, he could at least apologise for the way it was handled, and for the fact that FD (possibly unintentionally, to be fair) misled backers who pledged a lot of money. I'm not asking him to walk on hot coals, wear a hair shirt, or reverse the decision. But a proper apology would have been a nice sign that FD are listening and that they care about their customers.
Yes. But he can't apologize for the decision being made, since he thinks (and has to stand to it) that it was the right one (else he would have to reconsider).
Apologizing for the grief it caused is a thing he can do.
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Don't get me wrong, i didn't call David a griefer!
In real life, the word has a real meaning
That may be true, but we should still correct posts that refer to 'apologising for no offline'.
My suggestion is to ask for your refund from Frontier. While waiting, call your local consumer watchdog agency (in the US your states consumer affairs attorney generals office is another place to start) and ask them for their opinion. Also check with Kick Starter to see if your assumptions are correct. Personally, as someone who has worked in retail for many, many years, I expect you will be dissatisfied with what you are going to find out...however, those places are the best to start from. Good luck everyone!
Exactly, that's why there is no chance of a DRM free version now!
Please do not try to force your personal interpretation upon my original message.
Did I say "all of them"? Once again, no, I did not, nor did I imply it. You chose to read it that way, for reasons of your own, but that is not what I meant. I know full well that a lot of backers couldn't care less about this decision, as does everyone who is even casually reading this thread. I don't think we have to be ultra specific all the time: it's a message board, not a legal document.
Very happy reading indeed. Three... yes three people in that thread have said they have been refused a refund. Let me repeat that, THREE. All the other posts are just discussion. Any comment?
I like just quietly playing G at my own pace, with occasional NPCs making it interesting. I really don't was some trigger happy Billy the Kid taking me out just because he can while I'm contentedly traditional along.
I'm seriously considering asking for my backer fee to be refunded. I know all about the kickstarter principles, but I never thought that DB would pull a stunt like this!
Seems like it's back to Oolite.
I'm seriously considering asking for my backer fee to be refunded. I know all about the kickstarter principles, but I never thought that DB would pull a stunt like this!
Seems like it's back to Oolite.
He's not going to apologise. That would mean he admits he was wrong and would then have to give refunds. His lawyers will have told him not to apologise. All he said was he was sorry that we're sad.
Rewind 100 pages....all they have to do is release a version on dvd that doesn't require you to log in on connection.
Done.
People are getting boilerplate answers like this:
That's anyone who downloaded the Beta or earlier versions. If this is what they've decided on, then the number of people who downloaded anything and want refunds is certainly a non-trivial number.
Bottom line: this is not making it any easier to satisfy those who feel misled, so everyone else can move ahead and enjoy the game. I can only imagine that their finances aren't solid enough to allow the refunds, and they think they can ride out the wave of negative publicity that's coming.
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