Sir Render
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I 100% agree with your mathematics,
I've had enough of reading this nonsense,
Not sure about your name,
No Single Player offline Mode then?
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I 100% agree with your mathematics,
I've had enough of reading this nonsense,
Not sure about your name,
Im satisfied with this answer taken from euro gamer.
We are, however as of late a lot of software companies are using the rather wonderful tactic of wording their EULA's in dense legalese so deciphering the bloody things can be a real pain. FDEV's is actually one of the most readable ones I've come across, but if you want to see some terrors, Electronic Arts had a couple of winners, Apple has a terms and conditions that runs to some 32 pages or so, and Blizzard's T's and C's also run pretty deep and dense. Trying to actually assimilate all of it and fully understand it would require legal skills at a professional level, which is just insane.
Off course they were "testing" the game... But if you seek refund based on the 'offline fact', then showing long sessions online culminating into many, many hours... I seriously don't think that you have a case.
He's not going to apologise for that though is he? As far as he is concerned, they made the correct technical decision. It's not one I agree with, but it's his to make... so he's right to stand by that.
He's also not ruled out a single player game further down the line either, as he said in another post that it was "possible".
But an apology for how it affects people is the common & decent thing to do - and that's been lacking up until today.
It's indeed a low-blow about the no-refund for KS backers thing, but I'm not a bit surprised. That's why I didn't ask for one for me. Good luck to those still pursuing one though. I still think this may end up in the courts as a test case - class action - whatever.
lol no, that has been the policy from the start. The return policy has not changed. It has always been that if you downloaded the game you could not get a refund. Just do a forum search this is not a new thing.
The EULA is aligned exactly with EU law on sale of digital goods. It's hardly trying to pull the wool over anyone's eyes.
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The exact specifics we won't know ... basically they took a set of starting conditions and spun them around for a while .. voila - Universe.
Every time someone criticises the "game" on another thread, there's always someone who will shout "It's only a beta! You're not playing it! You're testing!". It's quite often the same people who are telling us here that it is indeed a game. Make your minds up.
Oh, quit trolling. You know full well what I mean, stop hiding behind words. The fact that we have no numbers doesn't mean that it isn't obvious this decision has made a lot of people unhappy. Yes, I said "a lot", I didn't give you a specific number, sorry. If you are unable to draw any kind of conclusion unless you have a bunch of numbers in front of you, good luck with life. You want a number? Your reply was number 7833 in a thread that is overflowing with rage. That should at least give you a hint on how big this issue is.
Anyway, I'm done with you. Have fun.
Almighty Bob
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I have had enough of it as well, its just a few dozen people out of thousands, I will stick to the 'how to' and 'advice on playing' threads
What's wrong with my name? Its original and sums up my gaming ethos. Its from my borderlands tag team. When my mighty twin Gimp Smacker comes on line (he is waiting for the full release) we will be a force for good in the universe,
Nobody is gloating and who's telling anyone to 'suck it up'? All I've been saying is that it is decision time. Either get back on board with the game development as it now is or... well, have the courage of your convictions and leave - never tweak your joystick again (ooh errr missus).
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There are two sorts of companies in the world, ones that are just barely competent enough to survive; and ones that aren't.
I have never seen a "well managed" company, merely ones that weren't as badly managed as others I have worked for.
Except, in my case ... I did not ask for my Kickstarter pledge back, have never downloaded anything (didn't buy the Beta), and simply asked for a refund of the Elite: Dangerous - Lifetime Expansion Pass which I bought from their shop.
All I got was a reply stating I was not entitled to have my Kickstarter pledge refunded, so my request was being refused.
I wonder how many others have had refunds they were entitled to refused, using the catchall, Cut & paste Kickstarter Funding reply, as a convenient excuse... perhaps hoping the person would not inquire again? .... I have put another. more insistent refund request in. Lets hope that one doesn't get refused.
For those that claim the KS stated DRM free..here's the direct quote dated Dec. 10. 2012:
"Will the game be DRM-free?
Yes, the game code will not include DRM (Digital Rights Management), but there will be server authentication when you connect for multiplayer and/or updates and to synchronise with the server.
Last updated: Mon, Dec 10 2012 6:54 AM EST"
No0thing has changed.
"Will the game be DRM-free?
Yes, the game code will not include DRM (Digital Rights Management), but there will be server authentication when you connect for multiplayer and/or updates and to synchronise with the server.
Last updated: Mon, Dec 10 2012 6:54 AM EST"
No0thing has changed.
Some people are at the point of saying "Gladly, when we get our money back", some like myself looked at David's answer session and saw yet another puff piece and are still pondering what to do, others like yourself are still on board. That is your good right. It's not going to change much. The fact that FDEV are not intent on honouring refunds it seems makes my mind fairly crystalline on what I will do if they don't honour a refund if I ask for one mind, your idea of people just shrugging their shoulders and walking off?
No. People deserve closure and remedy, if they can't get that in a civil and calm manner, then they should become grit, and contact consumer protection groups, contact gaming media, issue chargebacks, whatever it takes within the law to make it clear that this kind of conduct isn't acceptable. Letting FDEV just take your money and walk off laughing is nothing short of theft, and that should be called out as such.
Ignorance is not a defence against the law, but might work against contractual clauses. If the clause is not presented prominently enough in some countries it might be ruled null and void. If the clause is worded in an exceedingly complex and incomprehensible way it might be ruled null and void. In some countries if the clause is too unbalanced against the customer it has to be acknowledged explicitly, or it might be declared null and void.
It's most likely not the case at hand, but as you said it's the duty of any citizen to inform themselves and knowing your rights is very important.
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