Yes, I've seen significant chunks of the Internet (mostly the ones I was interested in visiting at that particular moment) stop working temporarily due to an AWS problem.
It's just adding more points of failure. Unnecessary ones, at that.
No Single Player offline Mode then?
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Yes, I've seen significant chunks of the Internet (mostly the ones I was interested in visiting at that particular moment) stop working temporarily due to an AWS problem.
It's just adding more points of failure. Unnecessary ones, at that.
Yeah we were screwed. They online added in the DRM free pledge rewards after pressure from potential backers. And now that they went back on that, they wont refund the money.
What is laughable is that other customers are laughing away the whole issue, because it supposedly doesnt affect them. (just wait for release day when the servers are overloaded)
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No, they only refunded preorders, regardless of what anyone accessed.
Same.The sad thing is that there are (at last count) seven people who I've persuaded to sign up for Elite, and in every single case, their first question was "Can I play offline?".
Guess how I feel about it now...
Yeah, that too. I've answered questions about ED on several sites, from people who wanted a modern space game but were turned off by the MMO aspect. I always mentioned the Offline option as well as Solo Online, to encourage them to try the game. Some of them might have bought into the Beta as a result of that. If any of those people feel betrayed, I get to share in that as someone who gave them bad information.
Regardless of how I feel about the potential of this game, and how great it is on many levels, something like that tends to leave a bad taste in one's mouth.
They don't need to. That's how kickstarter works. You might not like that, but then it's up to you if you use kickstarter or not.
The only thing they are obligated to ship are the rewards, that's why the confusion over a "DRM free" reward is important. Did that mean that they need to supply an offline version, and the answer is no, they don't.
Anything in a Kickstarter FAQ can change, and frequently does.
I can't make them produce the core feature that they promised to do. The only reasonable end are refunds, but Frontier is denying the vast majority of them for perhaps dubious reasons.
Correct - the games not been released, hence they have not had access to it. They have refunded people? The contention was that no refunds had been given.
They have some, but only with pre-order. No beta or KS owners.
No refunds that they where not obviously legally obliged to give have been given.
a i misunderstood than
witch will have the opposite effect now but that is just my opinion
YES this is the underlining issue:
Also for FD to say that offline is gone 1 month before release is just ridicules the did not decide that offline is impossible 1 month before release they must have now it longer than that but just withhold the news to not hurt sales witch will have the opposite effect now but that is just my opinion
HELLLLOOOOOOOOOO?!?!? You didn't think... "Should we ask our 25,681 backers?" You know those guys that gave you £1,578,316 and made this game happen? No why would we do that?!?!?!??!?. *** read between the lines there is no revenue in Ads and Offline game play ***
I'm very disappointed and sadden by this experience.
Close to slander my friend. You only have assumption, not proof.
Again... We wouldn't be here if FD handled this in an appropriate manner. They didn't.
You can't have it both ways. Either stick to your campaign promises (which are what compelled people to fund the project), or offer refunds to those who ask for it when you bail on those promises.
Bail early if you have to, so you shed the people for whom the game you're now making isn't the game they want to fund/play. But you don't get to rattle off a list of stuff, each of which motivates different people to different degrees to decide to fund you, and then just ditch parts of that list at the end.
And I get that development can't be 100% predicted. That's why I'm saying they have to be proactive about these decisions AND allow for KS/Store refunds when requested.
You either allow for refunds, or you make damn sure you only promise things in your KS campaign that you're actually doing to deliver, so that those who fund your project can trust that they're not standing on a rug that's going to get yanked out from under them at the end.
Yes they do or they need to supply refunds. Online only access which allows only a single concurrent connection from each account, and requires a key for authentication, is a form of DRM. No authentic key + account = no access. It is delusional to claim that a game with such a set up is DRM free. The only form of the game that would not have required this is the offline one.
Ergo, if the Offline version is impractical and has been ditched, then the DRM free bit goes with the offline. So you are talking about one thing as if they are two separate issues. Have you just defeated your own argument?
So basically all you people thought you could give free copys of ED to your mates so you could tool around on your own servers eh lol
Ah - i see, you are trying to link the rewards with offline. Well, good luck with that one.
Again we all had the ELITE dream and supported them to make it happen... their dream and ours(mine) do not alined in the end. No hurt feelings there BUT when the time was for me do support them I took my credit card out and did. Now it is time for them to support the ones that are not happy with the direction that they are taking this project towards. Take our your credit card and refund the INTEREST FREE money you held on for 1+ and let us end partnership in a civilized mature manner.
? sounded like he was just sparking up and swigging his tea to me, let's not over dramatise things shall we!
Actually people thought they could play the game offline, at their own pace, with no "people" like you hassling them online. With the ability to return to the game weekend after weekend to continue where they left. You know, some people have a real life, a job, a family... and no, Solo Online is not the solution for that.
Unfortunately other players will affect your galaxy while you are occupied with boring things like real life.
So you found that nice trade route on the border of Federation space and have a good reputation with the feds.
Now next weekend you get back... and suprise! The Empire is now in charge of the system, as you are a convicted criminal in the Empire you have to fight system security and bounty hunters to escape the system and finally the trade route is also history as all the other Solo players delivered thousands of tons of the precious good you planned on hauling there...
Or you go out in the galaxy to explore new worlds, get into a new region of space to cartograph it, can't play for some time and "woe, behold" hundreds of kids with no job after school decided to explore that region for you pushing the border of unexplored space some hundreds of light years out (meaning 3-4 days of playing for you to reach unexplored space again. Alas, the weekend just have 2 days).
So exploring is spoiled for the "vocal minority", trading means using trading tools to get at least a little orientation on markets, rather than relying on ever changing economics in real time, which leaves mining annd... wait a minute, if you mine an Asteroid field and find a good source and get back to it after some days, maybe it is already stripped bare by other players, so well, f...ed up mining also, which leaves: Right, fly around and shoot at NPCs or better join OpenPlay and right away kill "Onliners" as anti aggression therapy... as yopu get a free Sidewinder everytime, it would just require to learn how to inflict good damage with the standard rig...
Nice! Not exactly what I expected from Elite.
I'll try my luck with online and hope it doesn't get too much as I predicted, but whatever they deliver now, the circumstances of this desaster leave a very, very bad taste for my liking.
If people opt for refund and get denied, they might revoke the payment issued by debit card... that could lead to legal issues FD need to fight, ultimately may even cost them dearly, so the future developpment is at risk.
In the end it might have been the better decision to just hire some guys and finish the static, limited offline experience instead of whining about the lack of ressources to build two different games and that they want to build their vision.
Given the fact that they stated offline will be a feature since the start of the Kickstarter campaign, I always thought it WAS part of their vision?!
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Do you actually have any relevant points that aren't attempts at insults and trolling?
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