No Single Player offline Mode then?

[GeneralIdea1964]

I am reading and posting from my cell phone. It does not offer tethering. It would cost me $40 a month to add tethrring to my plan. I won't pay that much to play one game.

And you didn't pay a lot for the fairly hi spec computer you're running it on and the mobile phone contract to boot?

mind you $40 seems a bit steep .. you sure an upgraded landline connection isn't cheaper?

 

[Jonbe54]

They are upset because Frontier promised a year ago that they would offer an Offline mode for Elite Dangerous, but unfortunately as development has progressed it became increasingly apparent that they it may not be feasible, the final decision not to include it was made last week and Frontier announced it shortly afterwards.

A small number of people who don't have internet connections then used their internet connection to complain about it
But seriously I can see their point to an extent, there are people who have a spent a lot of money backing this game on the hopes that an offline only version would be made as was intended, unfortunately for them it seems likely that other people who for what ever reason dont like the game, or just want their money back have jumped on their bandwagon.

I genuinely feel for those who legitimately are unable to play a game unless its offline due to connection issues, even though Frontier have stated that a poor intermittent connection will be fine for solo play due to its nature (see here: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2...cry-over-elite-dangerous-ditched-offline-mode). But sentiment in the community for them is rapidly diminishing as people are demanding a refund due to the fact that the universe in their game will continue to evolve whilst they are not playing and that prices will change, this is ridiculous because their are which evolve over time, making it so that prices are not static - Not a basis for a refund in my book.

Again superficial, solo play may be fine for Euro and US continental players but not so for those of us living outside those areas - and I have news for you many millions do.

 

[stamasd]

It wasn't a core feature, just something extra added later on. Offline mode was announced just 3 weeks before KS goal was reached (11th of december). I wonder when most of the unhappy people here backed up ED on KS and how big difference it made.

I backed on dec 16th specifically because it had been made clear that offline would be included.

 

[jamotide]

It wasn't a core feature, just something extra added later on. Offline mode was announced just 3 weeks before KS goal was reached (11th of december). I wonder when most of the unhappy people here backed up ED on KS and how big difference it made.

Big enough for them to add extra DRM free pledges, which they wont fulfill now!

 

[Oddball]

I really cannot understand why FD released this information a week before the party. Why couldn't they have delayed it until after the party when we have all had a great time? There is going to be a real atmosphere there now.

 

[digitalcommunist]

Again superficial, solo play may be fine for Euro and US continental players but not so for those of us living outside those areas - and I have news for you many millions do.

So there is no ISP with good enough connection that is capable of pulling market data occasionally from the servers, in literally every major city outside the US/Europe?

I challenge you to find me one city in the world that does not have internet access.

 

[m000]

It wasn't a core feature, just something extra added later on. Offline mode was announced just 3 weeks before KS goal was reached (11th of december). I wonder when most of the unhappy people here backed up ED on KS and how big difference it made.

IIRC offline was added to the list when FD saw that the KS campaign was about to fail. Its importance to the success of the KS campaign was paramount.

And then there were folks like me, who out of impulse pledged before offline was added. Who were horrified to find out that they pledged to an online-only game. And later relieved when offline was added. And finally disgusted when offline proved to be a bait for having the KS campaign to succeed.

 

[Achitophel]

DB said officially that IF they close shop they WILL sell the server to someone in the fanbase.

...but that's not actually that helpful. Sadly, when most companies shut down there are creditors / banks involved - completely solvent liquidations of trading operations are pretty rare. An administrative receiver / liquidator is appointed and his primary responsibility is to dispose of all assets, discharge creditors as equitably as possible and then wind down operations in as orderly a fashion as possible.

One of FD's most valuable assets will be the Elite IP. Anyone who buys it would usually seek to acquire any and all rights / other IP relating to it, since they would want it clear that they are the sole owners of the IP, and having some freeware licence would complicate the issue. Much safer for the purchaser to get all of the rights and shut down what it doesn't need.

 

[Jonbe54]

Again, as I have stated many times in this thread, there was no promise made. The word "promise" is not attached to any statement concerning an offline mode. It was a developer goal that they can't meet.

Another apologist - that's just sophistry and transparent sophistry at that.

 

[norty303]

As Frontier is being pretty particular about who gets refunds, your statement seems to be pretty biased towards Frontier who received the money from the backer that provided the money under what is now, a bait-and-switch.

I get it. This is causing each and every Frontier fan to either double-down on their Frontier/David Barben faith OR abandon it. That is your decision to make.

Please don't misunderstand my point.

I'm simply saying that I don't agree with people's view that it was promised to be 'DRM free'.

'Physical DRM' to me is something different to what people seem to be complaining about in this thread, specifically to add weight to the argument about no offline play.

I don't disagree that if they promised offline play, people are going to feel put out, but I don't think the 'DRM free' statement that gets partially [mis]quoted has a place.

But as its subjective, and open to individual interpretation, it will not get resolved between the likes of us. I just wanted to to provide the counterpoint to the interpretation.

 

[ykza5]

I will try to be clear again, as some of those defending Frontier, David and the decision don't seem to understand, don't want to understand or can't understand.

What happened on Friday was a bloody poor piece of work form Frontier Developments, they have alienated a proportion of their player base, damaged their reputation, not only among some here but also in the wider industry and damaged themselves financially going forward. The financial damage probably won't be 'catastrophic', it may even be a 'drop in the ocean' but it exists, from lost future sales in terms of expansions and MT's, from the refunds, (which seem fairly few and far between), that actually are being issued all the way to any plans they had to Kickstart something else down the line.

The precedent that has been set from Fridays announcement, regardless of whether it was 'announced when they knew' or 'was too technically challenging' has an effect on ALL of us, why? - because it at the very least opens up the possibility that it could be something that any one of us 'cares about' next. Was the possibility there anyway? - yes, of course it was, but the idea and possibility of it has been reinforced by Fridays development. I said earlier in this thread and will say again, we should have stood as one over this, we may not have changed their minds, I grant you that, but we should have bloody united, if not to reverse this decision then at the very least to make them bloody think twice next time and make sure they did make 'every imaginable effort' to not drop anything else as fundamental as a GAME MODE ever again. Offline wasn't a feature, offline wasn't some ship idea that ended up on the cutting room floor, it was some peoples preferred, and in some cases only way of playing this game. Forget the distractions regarding DRM, forget cherry picked quotes from both sides to suit their argument, forget threats, forget 'get over it', some of you need to think outside of your little box and really say to yourself, 'has this increased or decreased the possibility of this happening to something I, you or we care about next'.

I do and will continue to play online, I am unaffected by these issues, but seriously, some of you, it really does not take too much of the old grey matter to put yourself into someone else's shoes, (empathy), or a possible future scenario, (foresight).

+1 to this. Offline mode doesnt affect me (although I was looking forward to having that option) but frontier lost a potential buyer from future stuff. I no longer believe in the DDF or things to come. Once they are if ever they are I would put money again on it. In the meantime no more for FD.

PS: lost potential customers (friends) from my home country that dont have reliable conection.

Also FD you have helped in damagin the credibility of future KS games. Remember the press is always watching

 

[stamasd]

And you didn't pay a lot for the fairly hi spec computer you're running it on and the mobile phone contract to boot?

mind you $40 seems a bit steep .. you sure an upgraded landline connection isn't cheaper?

I have high speed internet at home to go with that ultra-high-spec computer. But I'm not often home. I also have a high spec laptop that I take with me and which I wanted to use to play ED when I'm away for days at a time in places where I don't have a connection (sometimes not even a data connection on my cell phone)

 

[Papa Smurf]

i don't care for offline mode

online open play is the only right way to play this game

The difference between you and I is that I would support your selfish ____ if they took out online portion of the game because it is not for me to biblethump my way of play onto you.

 

[jamotide]

IIRC offline was added to the list when FD saw that the KS campaign was about to fail. Its importance to the success of the KS campaign was paramount.

Exactly, I remember directly asking about it and I did not pledge before they added those.

 

[Jonbe54]

You dont know that, you and I have not played the build DB is referring too and so therefore you are just jumping to conclusions.

Again superficial, internet speeds outside Europe and the continental US are a fraction of thier norm and the stability of the infrastructure is vastly worse.

 

[CMDR Sheehy]

In a previous post you called someone else's comment wrt Frontier as close to slanderous. The same is true of accusing people demanding the promised DRM free version, or a refund, of being pirates.

Accused, me? I said I only thought about it. Other people have been calling me troll, telling me to get off this thread, are you going to add lies too to get me to shut up?

Let me explain slander for you:

Slander (You are not a nice person): X is deliberately conning us out of money. (But there is no proof this is true!)
Close to slander, but you can probably get away with it, (but it's not nice): X is probably conning us out of money. (But there is no proof this is true!)
Not Slander: X could be conning us out of money, but without proof, what can we say, it might not be the case.

Slander: You're accusing us of ... when I'm not.
Not Slander: It appears you just read what you wanted out of what I actually read, maybe because you have a preconceived idea of people who do not agree with you, or maybe you're just tired. You can rep me if you like to say you're sorry!

 

[GeneralIdea1964]

So there is no ISP with good enough connection that is capable of pulling market data occasionally from the servers, in literally every major city outside the US/Europe?

I challenge you to find me one city in the world that does not have internet access.

I agree with you, most cities outside the West have better internet connections.

Maybe the complaints about lack of off-line are coming from the internet starved Western nations

 

[norty303]

LOOL yeah nice try. But that would be "physically" and it would have immediately been detected as a scam attempt.

Sorry, you've lost me. What scam would this be?

 

[DD_Crash]

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[CMDR Sheehy]

I like the fact that DB has said that they will review this after release. That's a way of saving face. It could be good to support that initiative rather than sling mud...

Just saying. (Ducks and runs for cover...)

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