How is that relevant to my post?
I'm talking about trust, and I am doing it to counter an absurd post about how it's supposedly an attack on someone's character not to have absolute trust in their abilities. Read it in context please.
No Single Player offline Mode then?
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How is that relevant to my post?
I'm talking about trust, and I am doing it to counter an absurd post about how it's supposedly an attack on someone's character not to have absolute trust in their abilities. Read it in context please.
I hope you're wrong. Within this huge galaxy (400 Billion Systems?) there will be room enough for Weekend Players (like me)
What is the status with KS refunds?
So, I've been reading about (denied) refunds through the pages. The requested refunds were so far from alpha/beta supporters.
Has any KS backer attempted to request a refund?
What is the proper channel to do this? KS or directly through FD?
I pledged in the lower tiers, so I will only have access on the final game.
Until now, I was considering not to ask a refund - give the opportunity to FD to make it right to everyone.
But their responses so far are totally unsatisfying. They don't seem to have any second thoughts on this, so I'd guess this is a decision made long time ago. Probably even before the KS campaign.
So I'm rapidly shifting towards asking for the refund - mostly as a gesture of disdain.
So, I've been reading about (denied) refunds through the pages. The requested refunds were so far from alpha/beta supporters.
Has any KS backer attempted to request a refund?
What is the proper channel to do this? KS or directly through FD?
I pledged in the lower tiers, so I will only have access on the final game.
Until now, I was considering not to ask a refund - give the opportunity to FD to make it right to everyone.
But their responses so far are totally unsatisfying. They don't seem to have any second thoughts on this, so I'd guess this is a decision made long time ago. Probably even before the KS campaign.
So I'm rapidly shifting towards asking for the refund - mostly as a gesture of disdain.
Superficial for non Euro or US residents. Those of us living outside the 'core' market areas have less than enviable internet infrastructure and stability - FAR, FAR less and playing as Braben Oh so briefly describes is simply not going to be possible.
ok fair enough. Perhaps that gets to the crux of the matter - there are different types of gamer We know this. i am the type of gamer who invests massive amounts of time into certain games and I go back to them year after year. As i say, I have piles of time in X3TC on the one play through. Same with football manager and many others. I'd be gutted if someone turned all of those games off or changed it in someway without me having control over that.
Sorry its taken me a day or two to post on this, but I've been really busy with real life things. I have however, made time to read most of this thread.
I've managed to compose my thoughts into a blog post - http://www.allenstroud.co.uk/2014/11/signal-re-established-me-back-online-e.html
We'll likely cover this topic after the launch party on Lave Radio and should you want to air your thoughts, please do contact us - info@laveradio.com
I've managed to compose my thoughts into a blog post - http://www.allenstroud.co.uk/2014/11/signal-re-established-me-back-online-e.html
We'll likely cover this topic after the launch party on Lave Radio and should you want to air your thoughts, please do contact us - info@laveradio.com
Read through the thread, and you will understand....I hope....really, I do not care since your post is pointless to this subject matter.
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Exactly my point
Yes, a valid point flibblesan. However, I have bought and sold second hand cars in the past and that hasn't ruined the car industry. The point being that I can sell anything I like as second hand except a boxed version of Elite Dangerous. Which doesn't seem right somehow.
The big deal is that they removed a core feature of the game (offline play, which also means the game now won't be DRM-free as advertised) a month before release without even a proper announcement.
As for why we want an offline mode (and many of us wouldn't have backed the game without it in the first place), I'll quote the replies to Braben's same question:
I might possibly have missed some, but this should give you a good idea.
I'm sure it's very "exciting", but it's not the game I wanted or paid for or waited seventeen years for.
Obviously not if you call it "hysteria". You go be excited at someone else's expense, okay?
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Thank you for posting Cmd Plissken. There are people here who claim that the "offliners" are just the "vocal minority". I feel the situation is quite the opossite. Many "offliners" may not even be aware of the news for the very same reason they want an offline game experience: they spend a lot of time offline.
I understand that you are only one, but this still proves that a group of silent "offliners" (of unknown size) is out there.
It's been quite a while since I've been able to sell any major single-player games since most boxes nowadays are just holders for one-time activation code
Not defending the practice as I find it very annoying but just saying the analogue doesn't really work when it comes to games these days.
They are upset because Frontier promised a year ago that they would offer an Offline mode for Elite Dangerous, but unfortunately as development has progressed it became increasingly apparent that they it may not be feasible, the final decision not to include it was made last week and Frontier announced it shortly afterwards.
A small number of people who don't have internet connections then used their internet connection to complain about it
But seriously I can see their point to an extent, there are people who have a spent a lot of money backing this game on the hopes that an offline only version would be made as was intended, unfortunately for them it seems likely that other people who for what ever reason dont like the game, or just want their money back have jumped on their bandwagon.
I genuinely feel for those who legitimately are unable to play a game unless its offline due to connection issues, even though Frontier have stated that a poor intermittent connection will be fine for solo play due to its nature (see here: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2...cry-over-elite-dangerous-ditched-offline-mode). But sentiment in the community for them is rapidly diminishing as people are demanding a refund due to the fact that the universe in their game will continue to evolve whilst they are not playing and that prices will change, this is ridiculous because their are which evolve over time, making it so that prices are not static - Not a basis for a refund in my book.
I will try to be clear again, as some of those defending Frontier, David and the decision don't seem to understand, don't want to understand or can't understand.
What happened on Friday was a bloody poor piece of work form Frontier Developments, they have alienated a proportion of their player base, damaged their reputation, not only among some here but also in the wider industry and damaged themselves financially going forward. The financial damage probably won't be 'catastrophic', it may even be a 'drop in the ocean' but it exists, from lost future sales in terms of expansions and MT's, from the refunds, (which seem fairly few and far between), that actually are being issued all the way to any plans they had to Kickstart something else down the line.
The precedent that has been set from Fridays announcement, regardless of whether it was 'announced when they knew' or 'was too technically challenging' has an effect on ALL of us, why? - because it at the very least opens up the possibility that it could be something that any one of us 'cares about' next. Was the possibility there anyway? - yes, of course it was, but the idea and possibility of it has been reinforced by Fridays development. I said earlier in this thread and will say again, we should have stood as one over this, we may not have changed their minds, I grant you that, but we should have bloody united, if not to reverse this decision then at the very least to make them bloody think twice next time and make sure they did make 'every imaginable effort' to not drop anything else as fundamental as a GAME MODE ever again. Offline wasn't a feature, offline wasn't some ship idea that ended up on the cutting room floor, it was some peoples preferred, and in some cases only way of playing this game. Forget the distractions regarding DRM, forget cherry picked quotes from both sides to suit their argument, forget threats, forget 'get over it', some of you need to think outside of your little box and really say to yourself, 'has this increased or decreased the possibility of this happening to something I, you or we care about next'.
I do and will continue to play online, I am unaffected by these issues, but seriously, some of you, it really does not take too much of the old grey matter to put yourself into someone else's shoes, (empathy), or a possible future scenario, (foresight).
What happened on Friday was a bloody poor piece of work form Frontier Developments, they have alienated a proportion of their player base, damaged their reputation, not only among some here but also in the wider industry and damaged themselves financially going forward. The financial damage probably won't be 'catastrophic', it may even be a 'drop in the ocean' but it exists, from lost future sales in terms of expansions and MT's, from the refunds, (which seem fairly few and far between), that actually are being issued all the way to any plans they had to Kickstart something else down the line.
The precedent that has been set from Fridays announcement, regardless of whether it was 'announced when they knew' or 'was too technically challenging' has an effect on ALL of us, why? - because it at the very least opens up the possibility that it could be something that any one of us 'cares about' next. Was the possibility there anyway? - yes, of course it was, but the idea and possibility of it has been reinforced by Fridays development. I said earlier in this thread and will say again, we should have stood as one over this, we may not have changed their minds, I grant you that, but we should have bloody united, if not to reverse this decision then at the very least to make them bloody think twice next time and make sure they did make 'every imaginable effort' to not drop anything else as fundamental as a GAME MODE ever again. Offline wasn't a feature, offline wasn't some ship idea that ended up on the cutting room floor, it was some peoples preferred, and in some cases only way of playing this game. Forget the distractions regarding DRM, forget cherry picked quotes from both sides to suit their argument, forget threats, forget 'get over it', some of you need to think outside of your little box and really say to yourself, 'has this increased or decreased the possibility of this happening to something I, you or we care about next'.
I do and will continue to play online, I am unaffected by these issues, but seriously, some of you, it really does not take too much of the old grey matter to put yourself into someone else's shoes, (empathy), or a possible future scenario, (foresight).
Again, as I have stated many times in this thread, there was no promise made. The word "promise" is not attached to any statement concerning an offline mode. It was a developer goal that they can't meet.
As Frontier is being pretty particular about who gets refunds, your statement seems to be pretty biased towards Frontier who received the money from the backer that provided the money under what is now, a bait-and-switch.
I get it. This is causing each and every Frontier fan to either double-down on their Frontier/David Barben faith OR abandon it. That is your decision to make.
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