This is a very good point.
No Single Player offline Mode then?
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This is a very good point.
I've got other things to do now, but this thread has been incredible. Before newsletter 49 came out, most people were happy. It's funny how things can turn so sour for so many in so short a time, and with good reason. Let's hope FD come to some kind of solution that makes everyone happy, even if it is a solid promise of re-implementing Offline at some point in the near future. In the meantime, I leave them with this song:
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LOL!
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Which doesn't make much sense given what you quoted later (the intention was never to share the same world):
However, given this other quote in regards to private servers, the real reason becomes more clear:
The real reason is preventing players from accessing the game content without going through their servers.
Or, in other words, always-online DRM (in a game which, let's not forget, promised to be DRM free as a selling point; offline mode isn't the only core feature they have scrapped, and it's probably not the most important one).
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Indeed. And the polls on the forum are hysterical. Some logic for you: An internet forum poll where one of the answers is "I have no internet connection." - You're expecting them to answer? Sigh. I wonder how massive the reaction would actually be to this if all those offline supporters were online................
Because the communication-chain between development and product management sucks major golfballs. Hence the lack of information before every beta release and the lack of information in the newsletters.
Mending bridges
My guess is that either the work to implement the client-side functionality was overlooked (not planned in to the project) OR time recently ran out - perhaps because of difficulties, perhaps because it was a low-priority task - I am obviously speculating.
I would think it would now be sensible to offer to deliver IN THE FIRST UPDATE, a solution which provides at least some offline play (without frequent connections).
The quick way to do this would be to cache the server data, and there is still processing code to write on the client side to use that data...
I suggest that a separate galaxy data set should be created for offline - which could be smaller than the main set, and would also protect the main data from security issues.
Call it a "thank you to backers".
My guess is that either the work to implement the client-side functionality was overlooked (not planned in to the project) OR time recently ran out - perhaps because of difficulties, perhaps because it was a low-priority task - I am obviously speculating.
I would think it would now be sensible to offer to deliver IN THE FIRST UPDATE, a solution which provides at least some offline play (without frequent connections).
The quick way to do this would be to cache the server data, and there is still processing code to write on the client side to use that data...
I suggest that a separate galaxy data set should be created for offline - which could be smaller than the main set, and would also protect the main data from security issues.
Call it a "thank you to backers".
This is what disappoints me most. This really is a slimy industry. All the fine words and protestations and the end result is just another incomplete Xmas release that will leave the game permanently hobbled with a sales damaging rep.
Why are the polls hysterical? It's better then trying to sift through this thread to find out how many people are really upset. And those with no Internet connection must have some type of access or they would not have been able to order the game in the first place. I do feel for those who will be unable to play Elite and hope FD can eventually work something out. But in the long run I have a feeling it will be a relatively small percentage of the entire player base.
As I can understand why most people would be upset about the lack of offline mode, as I am also caught working out in the middle of no where quite often myself. I really believe this decision was not taken lightly. That why I think they waited so long to announce it. As the game has evolved there have been some changes, both good/bad.
As much as this disappoints me I still have faith that they are doing everything they can to make a great game and I still think they can pull this off.
Almost a bit reminiscent of the Facebook/Oculus deal... that one was a real shock as well. As I recall most people were also screaming about refunds, but in the end they either re-bought or just let it go. ( I almost canceled my order too)
So to all of you who are furious about this... give it some time before you cry foul, it might not be that bad.
As much as this disappoints me I still have faith that they are doing everything they can to make a great game and I still think they can pull this off.
Almost a bit reminiscent of the Facebook/Oculus deal... that one was a real shock as well. As I recall most people were also screaming about refunds, but in the end they either re-bought or just let it go. ( I almost canceled my order too
) So to all of you who are furious about this... give it some time before you cry foul, it might not be that bad.
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ok, am going to go to sleep now, pretty sleepy. but something i dont understand. does that mean that the universe is not in our game files ? does that means that generating the galaxy in offline mode cant be possible because the files arent parts of our game files ? if you want to play offline, most of the galaxy has to be generated randomly. And personaly a dynamic, evolving galaxy is possible to make in offline... heck, its very possible. the dynamic contents will only be generated randomly, but must be made genuinely.
npcs giving you missions, galactic news stating things occuring at system X, system X has things who are different, etc.
'nyways, goodnight
Polling requires a cross section of people to provide useful information.
Instead? You have a poll on the internet, asking people with no internet, about their internet connection. As stated, those most affected perhaps won't see the poll any time soon enough to do what you are saying, and if they do see it delayed, the greater numbers of those with an internet connection, saying they have an internet connection, will skew the results enough to make those without an internet connection, saying they have no internet connection, look like a smaller percentage than they actually are. This is pretty basic logic.
Again, you're taking that quote out of context. The full exchange was:
The question apparently entailed downloading the entire server including the background simulation, something they never promised: "You won't get the features of the evolving galaxy" https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1461411552/elite-dangerous#project_faq_42659
Whereas, it turns out implementing the watered down, static galaxy without any new features being added would have required them to design a whole other game:
So, they couldn't translate what's on the galaxy server off-line without recreating the entire thing.
That said, I do hope they figure out a way to eventually get it into an offline version so that folks can still play the game 30 or 70 years from now for that matter when Elite turns 100.
Everyone can play now, too. So what's the difference to release? There is perhaps not enough money to serve the wishes of a minority.
There is at least 3G almost in every village. http://opensignal.com/
Better put money into quality and content than into promises given falsely.
There is at least 3G almost in every village. http://opensignal.com/
Better put money into quality and content than into promises given falsely.
I bought the game on the strength of its "Offline" capability
Given the fact that their minds have been changed, am I allowed to change mine and get a refund?
Do I really want to be ganked by some bored kid that got nothing better to do than grief other players, no..... If I wanted that experience I would continue playing World of Warcraft.
If you like the "online only" mode, fair play to you, go fill your boots and have a ball, but for me, I only bought the game to play solitary and like I've said before, if the Devs have changed their minds, then so have I.
In short, I am not looking for a refund as this game is now not going to forfil the role that it was described as prior to purchase.
Given the fact that their minds have been changed, am I allowed to change mine and get a refund?
Do I really want to be ganked by some bored kid that got nothing better to do than grief other players, no..... If I wanted that experience I would continue playing World of Warcraft.
If you like the "online only" mode, fair play to you, go fill your boots and have a ball, but for me, I only bought the game to play solitary and like I've said before, if the Devs have changed their minds, then so have I.
In short, I am not looking for a refund as this game is now not going to forfil the role that it was described as prior to purchase.
I'm going shopping soon, anyone fancy a trip?
Paracetamol (for some reason I have a headache), selotape, scissors, UHU (that's glue for those without internet access), pizza boxes and a new router... Today, we should all be doing something, mostly constructive.
Your only remembered for your last post...
Paracetamol (for some reason I have a headache), selotape, scissors, UHU (that's glue for those without internet access), pizza boxes and a new router... Today, we should all be doing something, mostly constructive.
Your only remembered for your last post...
If being ganked is the concern, solo mode might fit your needs. Not saying you're incorrect to feel how you feel though.
TBH I haven't been hanging around the forums until now.
From what I understand of this issue it's something that occurred a week or so ago that they announced they'd remove offline mode. What I don't understand is why they can't do what the older games used to do and run a server client setup on a single PC. The Universe creation part being the server and runs separately to the client. The version used for offline could be cut down or obfuscated a bit to counter hacking.
It's something I really miss in that you could setup local hosts for small LAN's and so on.
It won't affect my purchase of ED, but at the same time it's a little bit sour to have this come up this close to release.
From what I understand of this issue it's something that occurred a week or so ago that they announced they'd remove offline mode. What I don't understand is why they can't do what the older games used to do and run a server client setup on a single PC. The Universe creation part being the server and runs separately to the client. The version used for offline could be cut down or obfuscated a bit to counter hacking.
It's something I really miss in that you could setup local hosts for small LAN's and so on.
It won't affect my purchase of ED, but at the same time it's a little bit sour to have this come up this close to release.
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