But this small minority is the minority who FD asked for money, and who stumped it up big time.
No Single Player offline Mode then?
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Oh I see what you did there; so my statement that FD, (nor any user in this forum), can predict how long their servers will last and can predict/guarantee when or even if the servers will go public domain is one of the most ridiculous statements you have ever read in any forum ever?
Logic and fundamental physical laws must send you into a tailspin?
Well, it requires regular check-ins for various transactions. Weapons purchases, missions, explorations, etc. etc.. It kind of doubles as an anti cheat method as well, so you don't see players running around in fully tricked out 'Condas or one of the larger, as-of-yet unreleased ships on day one.
I know the truth. I'm just wondering when FD are going to stop evading questions.
For me, one of the most important things is ED told me when I purchased the game that I could play the game offline. If you want to play against other players, more power to you, but that has no appeal for me. I've played MMORPG's for years starting with Ultima Online and for the last 10 years World of Warcraft and the one major factor that has spoilt these games for me from time to time is the PvP aspect of the games. I feel no urge to competitively enter into combat with anyone because; I have no desire to have my rear end handed to me on a plate by some kid, especially seeing as this game seems to be very labour orientated, it would be heartbreaking to have all ones work undone because some nasty, spiteful little griefer has got nothing better to do than make someone's life miserable. You know that happens in Online games, it will happen here. Do people want this game to become an EVE clone? Some probably will.... but I don't. It's all about personal choices, if you choose to PvP players in a game, then surely one should have the opposite choice for the sake of balance and fairness. In World of Warcraft, if you don't want to get involved with PVP, you have the chance to join a NON PvP server. Sadly, this seems not to be the case with ED, everyone might get thrown in to the same pot and the nastiest, most skilful players will succeed. All power to them, if that's what they want from their game, but I for one will not pay a penny of my money to be their whipping boy. So, I hope that the game gives me my refund I've asked for. And, if in the future they have a change of heart about Offline gaming, they can let me know and I'll gladly pay for the game again. Sadly, and I know that I'm no loss to anyone...... This game isn't for me..... BEFORE its even started
You can still play solo. This will be entirely PvE then - no 'griefers' or other players.
Just that you will still need to contact the servers when buying, selling etc...
I'm not for one second suggesting that it is the same case with Elite and Frontier (I really love the game, and think it will do well).
But what you just said was the exact same thing that was said about the SimCity and X-Rebirth forums, and look how all that turned out...
For what it's worth I agree that forums are usually an echo-chamber with a vocal minority. BUT sometimes a small fraction of voices can also represent the same opinions as held by the silent majority. There's not always an easy way to tell. Clearly though it is a risk Frontier are willing to take.
My heart like so many just sank into the floor today. Without an honest offline mode there is no game I own. When the servers close ( and they'll have too someday .. When ??? ) we have nothing ... We were sold this game with the promise of an offline mode and I for one am pretty gutted and even more so at the way it was done. For me the newsletter today was heartbreaking. We cannot guarantee how long Frontier can keep the servers going, and seriously what point is there in a boxed version of a game that only works when we are online. I'm sorry my extreme excitement for this game at Kickstarter has been a bit ruined today.
Anyone else feel like that moment when we first got premium beta is going to feel like the highlight ? Such a step backwards from Elite 2 - Frontier. Maybe they should have just updated the graphics and sound of First Encounters.
Sad,
Gary.
Anyone else feel like that moment when we first got premium beta is going to feel like the highlight ? Such a step backwards from Elite 2 - Frontier. Maybe they should have just updated the graphics and sound of First Encounters.
Sad,
Gary.
There *is* still going to be a solo-online mode.
However there is *not* going to be an offline mode.
Yes, I accidentally a word and that's what you jump on. This forum post is getting silly now.
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Yes, I accidentally a word and that's what you jump on. This forum post is getting silly now.
I'd support something like this as an expansion, though it would add significant overhead to maintain going forward if it was delivered early in the game lifecycle. Obfuscating the secret data wouldn't work though - there is no means to protect it from malicious intent as DRM has found out.
As the game client evolves so the standalone server would need to be maintained and aligned. Both modes of operation would need to be tested for each release to ensure compatibility. The daily running costs would increase and the overall lifetime of the game would be shortened. Other features would suffer, be delayed, or less than anticipated as effort is diverted.
So as an "end of life" final expansion, with perhaps all that the players have discovered, a much simplified background economic engine simulation, and a much simplified encounter based engine might be feasible. End of life is the hardest thing to consider where we are at the moment in the journey, however plans made now can shape the decisions and the work over the next few years and make an "end of life" achievable activity.
Part of my day to day job recently has been working on "end of life" for technology implemented 10 years ago (retiring an OS as a platform is not a trivial activity!), so I have every sympathy and some understanding of the thoughts behind the decision process at Frontier to get to this point.
I wasn't attacking you mate...
I just thought you had the wrong end of the stick, and was trying to help you out. No harm done. I'm on your side.
Applying some logic....no, not really. Majority of people bought game for online, and in fact complaining much louder all over the place when it doesn't work properly (which is another story for another day
).As I said, it hurts but that's truth.
I'd suggest that they should have read the "Computer Requirements" section. It clearly says you need an internet connection, and always has done. They'll need it to register the game when they first load it, for a start.
Heck, the sun could flip out and kill all electronics on the planet tomorrow, sure. Or we could be invaded by tiny green men (a bit more unlikely, I'll admit). But honestly, there are still servers running for games that came out in 1992... So chicken littleing over a server shutdown that might happen sometime is not that logical...
He said to the student of Astrophysics... (Okay first year, but still...)
Ahhhhh... Mikey, you crack me up! Nice poltico speak! Until it actually needs to do anything to make the game work. So, if you go offline... Enjoy it for a minute or two. And FD don't care!
Is that the intended message? Cos that's what I read!
The Frontier defence force is working well today, I see there is no point going on with this, I already said he spent that money only for this game, not to play something else but hey you can play and I can play so we shouldn't give a damn for the people that can't.
It has not been working in offline mode up until now, it is still online. You have solo mode, that will not be going away. But it still requires a connection to the servers.
Errrr...it's online game, isn't it?
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