No Single Player offline Mode then?

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psykokow

psykokow
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You know very well that ED was advertised many times as having a solo offline component. Until the latest newsletter, ED was never advertised as an online only game.

During the KS, DB started a Reddit AMA for the sole purpose of advertising the KS. During that KS he clearly stated, as he had done many times before and since, that the game will have an offline mode. His advertising efforts on the KS, Reddit as well as on many other gaming publications explicitly stated there will be an offline version of Elite Dangerous. This is indisputable - ED was advertised as having an offline mode.

Based entirely on this advertising by Mr Braben and Frontier staff, many (like me) decided to pre-purchase the game whether through the KS, or through the store, or through Paypal, or whatever.

I understand FD will fail to deliver on their advertised product, and I have no control over that. Surely, it is a matter of professional courtesy for them to just say everybody who pre-purchased this game who was expecting a refund, will get a refund. Instead they use the legalistic 'you can apply for a refund' which hardly fills us with hope.

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If they came out in a few days and said they are reversing their decision and will develop an offline version within 6 months, then I will immediately cancel my refund request. Its not like I want to do this ... I have been given no choice by a very late decision by FD.
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They are saying. Apply through the system so they can treat you all fairly as individual cases. that sounds reasonable, and I hope they are compassionate to peoples disappointment and those like you who have been bitterly let down.
 

littleminxundr

littleminxundr
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You know very well that ED was advertised many times as having a solo offline component. Until the latest newsletter, ED was never advertised as an online only game.

During the KS, DB started a Reddit AMA for the sole purpose of advertising the KS. During that KS he clearly stated, as he had done many times before and since, that the game will have an offline mode. His advertising efforts on the KS, Reddit as well as on many other gaming publications explicitly stated there will be an offline version of Elite Dangerous. This is indisputable - ED was advertised as having an offline mode.

Based entirely on this advertising by Mr Braben and Frontier staff, many (like me) decided to pre-purchase the game whether through the KS, or through the store, or through Paypal, or whatever.

I understand FD will fail to deliver on their advertised product, and I have no control over that. Surely, it is a matter of professional courtesy for them to just say everybody who pre-purchased this game who was expecting a refund, will get a refund. Instead they use the legalistic 'you can apply for a refund' which hardly fills us with hope.

You need to consider the time, effort, and money many of us backers have sacrificed for this project for no return. FD have stated that they have not come to this decision easily, and neither have we. Many of us have gone out of our way to help them market the game, and now that the rug has been pulled from under our feet, it would be nice if they would offer us a hand up, just as we have offered them a hand up over the past 2 years. Until confirmation of that happens, it is natural that we will continue express our views, as predictably as you will attempt to dismiss or refute them. This is after all, a community forum where diverse and sometimes opposing views are discussed.

If they came out in a few days and said they are reversing their decision and will develop an offline version within 6 months, then I will immediately cancel my refund request. Its not like I want to do this ... I have been given no choice by a very late decision by FD.
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Have some rep! Well thought out post.
 

Cmdr Eagleboy

Cmdr Eagleboy
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You know very well that ED was advertised many times as having a solo offline component. Until the latest newsletter, ED was never advertised as an online only game.
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Sure, it has been mentioned few times by devs. Sure, it has been confirmed that it's still a thing. I don't doubt that. However, majorly, ED was advertised as ONLINE game. Everyone knowing a little bit more about project know that ONLINE is PRIMARY way to play the game.
 
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Cmdr Eagleboy

Cmdr Eagleboy
jmga said:
The fact is that in the moment they removed offline mode, the game is no longer DRM-Free unless they give server binaries with the game.
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No. DRM free means there's no DRM protection against installation itself. You can install it on as many boxes as you want.
 

strangerdanger

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Pecisk said:
No. DRM free means there's no DRM protection against installation itself. You can install it on as many boxes as you want.
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That's wrong. Please stop using terms you don't understand. Limiting installations is only one facet of DRM. DRM is as simple as copy protection for executables. DRM is as simple as an online server you need to authenticate with before you can play the game. You're basically saying Sim City was DRM free, and so is every Steam game, pretty much every game is DRM free except those that limit your installs (of which I can only name Spore and I think that limit was removed).

You're just wrong.
 

RadimentriX

RadimentriX
psykokow said:
Solo online is staying, ONLY The Solo Offline has been removed.
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at least something. now i just wonder how it'll be in 10, 15, 30 years. i still can play X:BtF or Elite (1984), will the servers for ED still be there in 30 years? or will we get the server-files in the end?
 

jmga

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Pecisk said:
No. DRM free means there's no DRM protection against installation itself. You can install it on as many boxes as you want.
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Don't make me laugh, you must live in a world full of DRM-Free games then, because protection against installation is a thing of the past.

DRM-Free means I can install and play a game without any kind of authentication, neither online login nor key validation.
 

Atinus

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Tim Wheatley said:
They haven't mentioned any changes to solo. However, I haven't heard the "ironman" mode mentioned almost as long as offline. Anyone know if ironman still exists?
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I think, if they stick to the plan, Ironman would exist as a separate All Player's Group, yet in the same galaxy as everyone else as far as the simulation goes. I really hope that gets in the game. Particularly because we spent like 300 hours in the DDF arguing about it! :) And I occasionally want to venture in to see how far I can get! :)

That said, to the extent that there will be any more missing features from the KS or the DDA, my suggestion to Frontier would be to detail them line by line. Which ones are still coming, and which ones couldn't make the cut. It may seem awkward, and I've never participated in a forum like this before, but frankly, the entire design process has been extremely transparent. In the spirit of open information, and as a DDFer, it would be nice to put a cap on that process.
 

RadimentriX

RadimentriX
strangerdanger said:
That's wrong. Please stop using terms you don't understand. Limiting installations is only one facet of DRM. DRM is as simple as copy protection for executables. DRM is as simple as an online server you need to authenticate with before you can play the game. You're basically saying Sim City was DRM free, and so is every Steam game, pretty much every game is DRM free except those that limit your installs (of which I can only name Spore and I think that limit was removed).

You're just wrong.
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i think ubisoft still has these limits. you can a game install 3 times in the beginning but you'll get one installation back per month
 

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Pecisk said:
No, please enlighten me, where FD has *advertised* offline mode after Kickstarter. Keyword is 'advertised' here.

Sure, it has been mentioned few times by devs. Sure, it has been confirmed that it's still a thing. I don't doubt that. However, majorly, ED was advertised as ONLINE game. Everyone knowing a little bit more about project know that ONLINE is PRIMARY way to play the game.
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Now Pecisk, I understand the concerns you have about issues like this damaging FD's brand and reputation, and what that could mean for their future. I honestly respect your devotion to them, and it reminds me alot of how a family member will protect their brother/sister regardless of whether they have sinned. I will not enter into an unending debate about semantics.

But please, you need to remember that we are part of that family too. We share Elite memories in the past, and hoped to relive those again 30 years later. All that is now gone for some of us.

Do you not see this?

We are not your enemy.
 

Cmdr Eagleboy

Cmdr Eagleboy
strangerdanger said:
That's wrong. Please stop using terms you don't understand. Limiting installations is only one facet of DRM. DRM is as simple as copy protection for executables. DRM is as simple as an online server you need to authenticate with before you can play the game. You're basically saying Sim City was DRM free, and so is every Steam game, pretty much every game is DRM free except those that limit your installs (of which I can only name Spore and I think that limit was removed).

You're just wrong.
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SimCity sin was EA withholding truth about it being online game with online integration, not being or not being DRM free.
 

Atinus

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jmga said:
Don't make me laugh, you must live in a world full of DRM-Free games then, because protection against installation is a thing of the past.

DRM-Free means I can install and play a game without any kind of authentication, neither online login nor key validation.
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Yet that wasn't a real big fuss in the Kickstarter, where it has been said from day one you had to authenticate with the server at https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1461411552/elite-dangerous#project_faq_42231 :

Will the game be DRM-free?

Yes, the game code will not include DRM (Digital Rights Management), but there will be server authentication when you connect for multiplayer and/or updates and to synchronise with the server.​
 

Tim Wheatley

Tim Wheatley
Atinus said:
I think, if they stick to the plan, Ironman would exist as a separate All Player's Group, yet in the same galaxy as everyone else as far as the simulation goes. I really hope that gets in the game. Particularly because we spent like 300 hours in the DDF arguing about it! :) And I occasionally want to venture in to see how far I can get! :)

That said, to the extent that there will be any more missing features from the KS or the DDA, my suggestion to Frontier would be to detail them line by line. Which ones are still coming, and which ones couldn't make the cut. It may seem awkward, and I've never participated in a forum like this before, but frankly, the entire design process has been extremely transparent. In the spirit of open information, and as a DDFer, it would be nice to put a cap on that process.
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Unfortunately I don't think they could do that. Any future plans, currently in, could get dropped (not saying that negatively, just a possible thing), and people would of course be just as upset about some of those missing "promised" features as well. However right or wrong, Frontier kind of have to just keep quiet and get in the features they can get in, when they get them in. Any undelivered things will come back to bite them, like the offline mode.

I was a backer and never took part in the DDF, etc. I felt pretty good though about what the community were saying, so didn't feel I needed to be heard. Today obviously I felt I need to be heard, which is the reason for my postings here. :)
 

Tim Wheatley

Tim Wheatley
Atinus said:
Yet that wasn't a real big fuss in the Kickstarter, where it has been said from day one you had to authenticate with the server at https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1461411552/elite-dangerous#project_faq_42231 :

Will the game be DRM-free?

Yes, the game code will not include DRM (Digital Rights Management), but there will be server authentication when you connect for multiplayer and/or updates and to synchronise with the server.​
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It specifically states that authentication would be for multiplayer and updates. Not gameplay.
 
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