No Single Player offline Mode then?

[Skeloton]

Did you really just compare people dieing in the thousands to lack of online mode in Elite?!

""devastatingly affected."" ?!

Seriously get a grip.

While I agree, this is 1st world problems.

However, saying people are simply having a kneejerk reaction and should calm down or G.T.F.O. I do not.

 

[Kayweg]

It's not technically impossible. Michael clearly stated that they won't give out server software (before finish of ED project for all times) for game being heavy bent on exploration and galaxy containing all secrets in server data.

This really is the crux of it.
While their timing and manner of getting this across was poor (i stand by that), i have to agree with you.
It's an argument i only can put my hands up to.

 

[sbdags]

I am betting us kickstarter backers knew the risks. The point is that offline play was a big issue. The community requested, repeatedly, assurances that there would be an offline mode before backing. I myself did not back until those assurances were posted, by DB and MB. I am surely not the only one, Myself and Liqua may be in a minority but we are a minority that put huge effort into making the kickstarter a success based on off-line play being a part of the released game. Not a stretch goal but a release feature. There is not really any lack of clarity here. The top tier of backers funded a third of the final amount. That is not insignificant.

Yes and I don't want people to mis-understand what I posted. There was no disrespect meant.

There are lessons learnt here for both FD and the backers especially those who contributed significant amounts.

 

[littleminxundr]

I don't see why.

I'm sure he read the terms of the kick starter and understood the risks.

It's a real shame he feels the need to ask for a refund and I'm sure FD will do their best to come to an agreement with him.

To be honest it is none of our business.

He's the highest tier backer and of that tier, there could only be one. He would also get to name a system in the final release.

If Liqua sticks to his guns, FD will have to buckle as unwillingness to deal with your most important backer is something the press will be very interested in.
(I don't think that for him, FD will suddenly bring back off-line though)
The tier said he pledged 5K Pound-Sterling. But we don't know how much he really pledged. It could very well have been 10K. At any rate, Liqua being disgruntled is in itself a worst case scenario. FD can field a 200GBP backer packing with a dismissal... But Liqua is a different matter.

 

[Skeloton]

Of course they do ---- what did you think I meant?

Atm though I think ubisoft got all the attention with its PC port debacle of AC-U

 

[SJT]

I am betting us kickstarter backers knew the risks. The point is that offline play was a big issue. The community requested, repeatedly, assurances that there would be an offline mode before backing. I myself did not back until those assurances were posted, by DB and MB. I am surely not the only one, Myself and Liqua may be in a minority but we are a minority that put huge effort into making the kickstarter a success based on off-line play being a part of the released game. Not a stretch goal but a release feature. There is not really any lack of clarity here. The top tier of backers funded a third of the final amount. That is not insignificant.

It's like doing a Kickstarter for a robot. "It's going to have two arms, two legs and a head.". 12 months later - "Sorry, we couldn't do one of the arms. It was too hard.".

 

[sbdags]

Atm though I think ubisoft got all the attention with its PC port debacle of AC-U

Yes and ED is small in comparison - but some press agencies will pick it up I'm sure.

We'll see what tomorrow brings.

 

[SJT]

Of course they do ---- what did you think I meant?

I don't think you quite got what I meant.

 

[sbdags]

I don't think you quite got what I meant.

I don't get most of what you mean I wasn't responding to you btw ....

 

[wolverine2710]

Ca´t find the post back, thread goes way to fast but this is what I posted in another thread which dealt with getting a refund. Also a moderator in this thread mentioned how to request/getting a refund.

My post
Commanders, the truth is a bit different - at least in the case of the removed offline mode. Beneath are two quotes with source by Michael Brookes posted on Saturday.

I don't have any details for that. At the moment all refund requests are dealt with on a case by case basis.
Michael

Source.

You can put a refund request in through the store.
Michael

Source.

 

[SJT]

Ca´t find the post back, thread goes way to fast but this is what I posted in another thread which dealt with getting a refund. Also a moderator in this thread mentioned how to request/getting a refund.

My post
Commanders, the truth is a bit different - at least in the case of the removed offline mode. Beneath are two quotes with source by Michael Brookes posted on Saturday.


Source.

Source.

You don't even need a reason to get your money back for the pre-order. The product has not been delivered. UK Distance Selling Regulations

 

[noodle]

The bit that gets me is when people talk about Kickstarters, and how they're always a risk. The thing that I'm struggling with is the feeling that FD never even seriously tried to incorporate off-line play.

 

[SP45M]

Yes, I bought the game for a large part on the prospect of off-line play. Luckily, I play a lot of games so when I get in the situation that I can't play my game because of ISP-troubles, or server downtime at any point where I feel like playing and that happens often enough, I'll eventually discard the game and move on. The money is gone, I've spent it and it's no use crying over spilled milk.

But will I recommend Elite to my friends? No. Because none of my gaming buddies like always online games. (Not even talking about Early Access Games. That's why I'm on my lonesome here, lol) Now Elite's recommendation is "Forget it. It's always online.".

I'm interested in the concept of gaming buddies that don't like online games, could you list some of the games you don't play together?

 

[-o-]

...

I do know that standing together and voicing our support for the affected members is a show that we do have a voice, especially now that the DDF seems to have been side-lined into insignificance.
This is not really a PVP issue, or a Group issue, or a content issue, this is a no game to a lot of member’s issue.
I love the game it is truly amazing but this cutting of a very big component out of the game is a step too far when considering the people it effectively shuts out. I no longer feel part of it. To be part of something you have to have some kind of say in what happens, or be consulted, or bad news to be delivered in a decent fashion.
What is not needed, in this attempt to ask ED to find another way, is the constant badgering of forum members, voicing their concerns about their fellow members being shut out.
I don’t see why some of the members, who I have a lot of time for and respect their views, feel the need to stop this attempt. This thread does not affect you in any negative way.
So please support it, just to show solidarity with the members who are devastatingly affected.
“I’m alright Jack”, does not cut it.

Well said.

Kickstarter project fails to deliver on one of it's promises? Sky is falling

I feel for Liqua, he's cool guy, but it's clearly emotions talking.

You forget that it was the emotion during the KS that gave birth to Elite Dangerous.

 

[stephen_usher]

He's the highest tier backer and of that tier, there could only be one. He would also get to name a system in the final release.

If Liqua sticks to his guns, FD will have to buckle as unwillingness to deal with your most important backer is something the press will be very interested in.
(I don't think that for him, FD will suddenly bring back off-line though)
The tier said he pledged 5K Pound-Sterling. But we don't know how much he really pledged. It could very well have been 10K. At any rate, Liqua being disgruntled is in itself a worst case scenario. FD can field a 200GBP backer packing with a dismissal... But Liqua is a different matter.

£5000 is the highest that Kickstarter UK allows as a pledge. I know. I pledged that high trying to get the "Name the Founder's System" but Liqua pipped me to the post by a couple of seconds.

 

[Cmdr Eagleboy]

The bit that gets me is when people talk about Kickstarters, and how they're always a risk. The thing that I'm struggling with is the feeling that FD never even seriously tried to incorporate off-line play.

And you know this how? I personally question people understanding of stakes here - FD wanted online game, they advertised it as online game. Pushing for offline version during KS was...awkward to say at least. For me it was always no brainer that when they will finish background sim, they will try to fit in for offline mode. You don't gut your main mode just to get very compromised secondary mode. It just doesn't add up.

 

[RobertPBham]

One of the reasons I backed this game was due to being able to play single player - there are too many morons in the online world!

Now, the mitigating factor for me is there is a solo online game that will just get updates from online servers - that's great!

However my major concern with anything online is that I have no control over it! If Frontier go out of business (hopefully will never happen) how can I play the game? Will the game even load? That's why a true offline mode is so important to me!

 

[Cmdr Eagleboy]

You forget that it was the emotion during the KS that gave birth to Elite Dangerous.

You forget that majority of us gave money to FD because we wanted game to be made, not because there are some features we would like to use. We knew almost *nothing* about featureset of the game during that time.

 

[cherbert]

Without taking anything away from the backer or the amount - backing is inherently risky. There is no guarantee of even a product.

A product has been delivered that is different to what the backer wanted.

I don't know how a refund will work in this case as he wouldn't have got one if nothing had been delivered and he knew that.

I don't think any of that matters really. Its not about actually getting the refund - just him demanding one is disastrous PR for Frontier. So it doesn't matter if he gets one or not and if the press get hold of that story.. well... good luck Frontier.

I saw this coming months ago when I tried to tell them their communication was dire. I knew at some point they would mess up big time. Such a shame they decided to become so arrogant as to think they knew best.

 

[sbdags]

The bit that gets me is when people talk about Kickstarters, and how they're always a risk. The thing that I'm struggling with is the feeling that FD never even seriously tried to incorporate off-line play.

Yes this is a possibility. I've seen no evidence that offline play was developed as every thing we have seen required an online connection. Maybe they thought they could add it later and realised that things had gone down a different road?

Speculation but who knows? Not us.

How legally binding is a Kick Starter statement of intent?