No Single Player offline Mode then?

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Biffa

Biffa
My technical bent is:

£X lost in refunds or projected v £X to produce an offline version.

That'll decide it and you can bet they're watching the applications.

(And the lack of an announcement I'll put down to even more naivety)
 

hjd_uk

hjd_uk
I'm dissapointed but I hope that offline play could be developed at some point after release, when hopefully there will be more time and developers free to work on it. I fully expect servers to groan and fall over at launch as everyone tries to play E.D which, if there is no possible offline play will be annoying for everyone. Could the Sol system be packaged as a standalone tutorial / sandbox / free-flight arena that would allow us to try out flight manuvers, loadouts and combat/scooping with unlimited ships and inifinite money while offline ? It would be nice to actually be able to try out flying a new (probably expensive) ship in the sandbox mode before buying it in-game.
 

MikeGreg

MikeGreg
Hi

Have been following this thred since it broke

Now having offline was very important to me
mainly because i am away from home 10weeks and home 5weeks
the intention was to be able to play this when away from home ( like most of my games )
because after 10 weeks away my family would not tolerate me being stuck infront of the computer, we go away on holidays and such
now admittedly even when away i can sometimes play by wifi links, and have tried this on several occacions, but its painfull, and most times impossible
even at home here my internet connection is not that great, especialy if the wife and kids are also online
we have adsl but that brings telephone/TV/and internet down the same cable, and being out in the sticks, it aint always reliable

now at the moment i am not rushing in to claim a refund, but i dont rule it out
i will wait and see what 4.9 / Gama bring

the only this that worries me , apart from the dismal way it was anounced, the lack of any input today from frontier

so Michael says that they tried, i give them the benifit of the dought on this point
he says that due to the things they have had to put on the cloud has mad it impossible to produce a offline mode
ok that maybe so, they know better than us
but he also says that in the future if anything goes wrong with frontier our game will still be usable
but if it cant run now without the complicated servers/cloud setup
how could it possibly run when the servers/cloud are for what ever reason be shut down
if they are infering that an offline client could be issued in this event, then why not now

it very alarming

MikeGreg
 

adoredtv

adoredtv
Biffa said:
My technical bent is:

£X lost in refunds or projected v £X to produce an offline version.

That'll decide it and you can bet they're watching the applications.

(And the lack of an announcement I'll put down to even more naivety)
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Don't forget £X not lost due to piracy.

Online-only was the sensible thing to do, they just should never have said there would be an offline version of the game.
 

CMDR Sheehy

CMDR Sheehy
synchromesh said:
So you order a 3 piece suite in brown.......2 days before delivery the suppliers tell you they can only supply Grey....But they offer you a choice of that or your money back..
As long as a refund is offered all legal obligations have been met .... Disappointing but a fact of life I guess :(
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More like you order a three piece suite with a cravat, but 2 days before delivery, the cravat is not available, however, they've given you a shirt, bow tie and a discount off a new pair of shoes all in. But if you want, you can be grumpy and ask for a refund.
 

SalsaDMA

SalsaDMA
Binerexis said:
Poor analogy.

A closer analogy is that you're working on a piece of software where the intention from the beginning of the design phase is that it runs online but also has an offline mode for users who want that. If you then end up with software that works per the original design and everything is progressing as intended with the exception that it's no longer feasible to implement the optional offline mode, I'd say you still have a fully working product without an optional feature and those who bought the software in development solely for that feature can ask for their money back.
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Eh...

So designing something to work differently than the intention is not a wrong design?

You have to be alone on that one.

Heck, I even remember back in the days when I learned software design that ANYTHING that wasn't part of the design document was a bug, even beneficial stuff.

So having your design end up not fulfilling the design intentions is the very definition of a wrong design.

So either the design intentions were not what we were led to believe, or they have issues with designing software.

Neither scenario looks good to me when we are considering a multimillion dollar software project.
 

jamotide

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phlOgistOn said:
But there's definitely situations where KS investors have got absolutely nothing back from a project - that is the inherent risk of the setup.

Now I'm pretty sure that there will be some kind of refunds for KS users - but expecting 100% is almost unreasonable in my eyes since they're pretty much 2 months away from the end of a 2 year dev cycle - they could quite legitimately say they've spent 90% of your pledge already.
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So..all the accountability and legally bound talk from kickstarter is just to get our money?
 

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anthonycsheehy said:
More like you order a three piece suite with a cravat, but 2 days before delivery, the cravat is not available, however, they've given you a shirt, bow tie and a discount off a new pair of shoes all in. But if you want, you can be grumpy and ask for a refund.
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Great unless you really happen to need a cravat.
 

Wulfrune

Wulfrune
-o- said:
Indeed he did ..

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I wonder if someone gets around to taking this through the courts; how a judge would define the distinction between on the one hand Michael clearly stating that the "Offline" single player will happen, to Michael then saying "That was never the case"

If this does go to court, I honestly don't think it'll end well for FD, they're damned by their own words. As sure as eggs are eggs, this must be extremely embarrassing for FD and I pray that common sense prevails and that no matter what it takes FD finds a way to put this situation right, and not by just posting what can't be done, but they listen to the people who've put money in their companies coffers...... COME ON FD.... Man up, sort it out now.


Please?
 

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synchromesh said:
So you order a 3 piece suite in brown.......2 days before delivery the suppliers tell you they can only supply Grey....But they offer you a choice of that or your money back..
As long as a refund is offered all legal obligations have been met .... Disappointing but a fact of life I guess :(
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I agree.

However at this stage the refund has not been offered, so all legal obligations have yet to be met.
 

joejett

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Flak999 said:
Well, I have read this mammoth thread from start to finish and I have to say I am a little bit bemused by the reaction to the loss of offline mode! I do understand that for some people the reason for backing this game was in large part due to the promise of an offline mode, and for those people this announcement must be disappointing.

But, surely the reaction on this forum and elsewhere is a massive overreaction isn't it? At the end of the day it's just another computer game! Many people will play it for a few months maybe longer, then the next great game will come out and we will all move on to that.

Reading this thread you would think FD had foretold the coming of the Apocalypse, instead of just announcing that part of what they had intended to do with ED now cannot be done! Come on guys get a grip, it's hardly the end of the world! There will be another great game along in a minute and we can all start playing (and slagging off) that!
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Bull. If you've really read this entire thread, or even if you read just one tenth of it, you wouldn't be bemused by anyone's reaction. There's close to 400 pages of explanation about why people are upset. You've just written this to fan the flames, like so many other apologists. I'd explain, in detail, the many reasons why the loss of true offline SP has generated such a backlash, but you could just go back and reread this mammoth thread from start to finish (and try to do so more carefully next time).
 

Colonel Kenney

Colonel Kenney
Juniper said:
Ridiculous post, sorry.

It's not fraud. It's false advertising, possibly switch & bait tactics, but not fraud. And the FBI are not going to care about what a computer games company in Cambridge, UK says.

FD have pulled a confidence trick, but it's a long way from fraud.
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I don't think its a trick or intentional at all. I think scope creep and time constraints are more a factor than anything else. It'll take too much work and too much risk to allow their server based code to be on each computer.
 

Cruel Coppinger

Cruel Coppinger
SKIDROW will fix this or some other group/collective.

Its inevitable.

"“The easiest way to stop piracy is not by putting antipiracy technology to work. It’s by giving those people a service that’s better than what they’re receiving from the pirates.” "
GABEN
 
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Binerexis

Binerexis
SalsaDMA said:
So designing something to work differently than the intention is not a wrong design?
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It's been designed as intended as it was always intended to focus around online play. Offline play was an optional extra which became only possible at the detriment of the product as a whole.

If your hand is rotting, you can either cut it off to save your life or try to save your hand at the risk of dying from sepsis.
 
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