psyron
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You know exactly that everyone would watch it sooner or later.
FD seem wanting to protect players from having a bad experience. And i fully support this!
No Single Player offline Mode then?
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You know exactly that everyone would watch it sooner or later.
FD seem wanting to protect players from having a bad experience. And i fully support this!
I was taking the mickey... My point was that I do not know any more than you do... You're just making it up! Do you think the announcement means that everyone who wanted offline pledged on THAT day, at THAT moment? Of course not... Any pledge from that moment t on COULD be down to that promise... Me saying it is as as stupid as you saying it wasn't... Basically you don't have a clue so why say what you did? Pointless rhetoric.
Missions are part of background sim, as almost everything else in game. Gut background sim - you need to rewrite whole swath of code and support it too.
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What "AMostOriginalUserNam" says in the third reply... GOLD!!!
But as i said MULTIPLE times: The experience wouldn't be the same!
Imagine now flying into a conflict zone seeing a big war going on between two big factions. Then you fly out and return after some days. So what should happen? The conflict still going on? Or was it completely randomized? Or - and this is more what we would expect - the conflict has evolved!!! But this to happen means that their has been some calculation going on between.
It's simply much more complex if you want to simulate something authentic!
It's like simulating a whole human body and saying that the player is only a drop of blood and only its sourrounding needs to be simulated - that's simply not true! If you really want to simulate that human body in a comprehensible manner you can't simply simulate "your sourroundings only". That isn't going to work if you want for example simulate how the body reacts on a viral infection over days/months. To do so you need to simulate it correctly and fully!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (And that's what FD want to do!)
Even if you are only a drop of blood!
Psyron, I get that you're enamoured with the concept of an online evolving galaxy & you want to play it.
For what it's worth, it does sound cool - I remember the DDF topic well, and got quite excited by it too. It would be great if they could somehow pull it off... seen zero evidence of it thus far though, but let's wait for release.
HOWEVER. That is not the point here. The point is that we were promised in addition to that a static, offline galaxy. No, it would not be the same. Of course not. But that's irrelevant. It would work offline - without DRM - without an always-on high bandwidth low-latency internet connection just to make it work.
You could pause your game when the phone rings / child cries / doorbell rings. You could save your game. You could find a trade route and mine it to your heart's content. If you fancied a change, you could create a different save and do something different... then go back to the original.
Please try and understand that it's not that people don't understand what FD's vision is for the evolving galaxy, but that we were promised an offline variant and now 3 weeks before release they quietly slip into a newsletter than we're not getting it. That is part of the reason why people are getting riled.
I was going to point that out too.
Anyway, what's all this guff about no offline mode?
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Sorry, I was looking at the theory that the addition of offline in (we think) week 3 led to a boost in KS pledging that "saved" the ED kickstarter.
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If there was an effect, I would expect it to appear as either a spike as all the KS pledger were "lured" into pledging by the addition of offline, or a change in the pledge rate as people who wouldn't have pledged without offline started to pledge.
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If there was such a spike or change in pledge rate, there would be a basis for claiming that without the addition of offline the KS would have failed.
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As it is, it appears as though there was a steady pledge rate except for the beginning and end (both of which are unlikely to be tied to the addition of offline)
I for one increased my pledge to get the "DRM free" boxed version that I assumed I'd still be able to use if the servers went offline, although I wouldn't push for a refund as I still want to play the game. Anyway, it doesn't matter if they made much money or not. IMO FD have to make a public statement and, one way or another, they have to offer to make things right with people who are unhappy. Kickstarter backers included. In terms of reputation, the appearance of impropriety on its own can be very damaging even if the the intentions were only good.
psyron
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It's like FD building a Ferrari and people then asking FD to create a Skoda for those who like to drive on "4 cylinders only".
They discovered that an "offline-Ferrari" would in reality become a Skoda and they decided - because they are proud of their Ferrari - that they will not do so. Is this really so difficult to understand?
Yes, but they want people to enjoy their Ferrari. They simply don't want to waste time on producing a Skoda. Please accept this and enjoy the Ferrari.
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Well, they have offered to listen to their refund claims. I have heard those are getting completed rather quickly.
Hey! I love my little Skoda! (Don't worry Fargo, they don't mean it!)
Seriously though...
Looking back at all the " There will be an offline mode " remarks by FD before the game was even made you don't really think they were making it up do you ?
Its pretty obvious that the evolution of the game has caused this issue and not lies or anything.....Otherwise they could have said this right after the kickstarter and had it all done and dusted last year
Looking back at all the " There will be an offline mode " remarks by FD before the game was even made you don't really think they were making it up do you ?
Its pretty obvious that the evolution of the game has caused this issue and not lies or anything.....Otherwise they could have said this right after the kickstarter and had it all done and dusted last year
And you expect us to believe that they didn't realize that offline mode wouldn't work until 1 month to release?
Please.
No, english is not my native language but understand it pretty well (although im not that good in writing, so i apologise for that). Here is what is problem:
- how on earth can offline mode be harder than MP? asside that offline doesn't have to be synched and do not need all the feature. Not to mention that they once did offline game (FFE) and it worked. And we loved it. So it is not impossible.
- In all of the newsletters and news they simply ignored offline mode and on every question regarding it they shifted the subject to "how excited they are about multiplayer" and tried to convince us that multiplayer is better. So, were they working on it at all? i think that is a reasonable doubt.
- why they were not happy with offline mode? They gave us no details at all. So i find that answer inadequate. Maybe we'll be happy even with offline play they are not happy with. But they did not even consult the comunity about that and just scrapped it. after foundrising was over (sorry but it looks bad)...
- If they didn't want the offline mode, they should have been honest from the start (Kickstarter) and said that they are very excited about making MMO Elite only. People who are not "excited" by idea of MMO Elite woul'd not pledge and we woul'd not have a problem now. And questions rising about deception.
- DRM free promises are broken by "smells like Sim city spirit" alway online
For a start, MB should tell us in details (features not working) what was the reasons of their "unhappiness" over offline mode. It woul'd be fair if "offline players" woul'd know this and maybe have oportunity to decide if they maybe want this crippled offline version.
And, yes, it is a very bad idea to anounce cancellation of major game mode as something minor, barely mentioned and then pretend that nothing happened. where are the devs now? I think this problem deserves more serious bilateral communication. their absence just fuels conspiracy theories and general feeling that they are hiding something!
Ye Skoda aint what they used to be......Most run now ..
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Where did you hear that? All I've heard on this forum from those who've applied is "no response yet".
Also, I have to add....while a refund is better than the proverbial poke in the eye, it's still an unsatisfactory outcome. No one backed ED so they could get a refund.
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What "AMostOriginalUserNam" says in the third reply... GOLD!!! - from Demosthiens post
yes I think it was someone not so very far up this page who laid that bet and is now trying very hard to keep his fifty !
Oh is it Tuesday already and still no word from Frontier.. must check back tomorrow then when I can get online (-:
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yes I think it was someone not so very far up this page who laid that bet and is now trying very hard to keep his fifty !
Oh is it Tuesday already and still no word from Frontier.. must check back tomorrow then when I can get online (-:
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Are you seriously comparing E: D beta 3.x (because that's pretty much what we're going to get on release) as a Ferrari? Really? OK, let's go with it...
So if money changes hands as a result of them promising a Ferrari, and then three weeks before delivery they say "We're going to have to take the passenger seat out because we couldn't figure out how to make it fit with our vision of what the Ferrari should be" then everyone should just be perfectly OK with that?
As MB said, they thought long and hard over it, worked at it. They probably started to realise it was going to be an issue a while ago, but it takes a while between it starting to be an issue, running tests and researching how to get round the problem, then deciding finally that they just can't do it, then announcing it.
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