BTW - In the UK at least, no company policy can trump your statutory rights. You know those little notices you see in shops - 'This does not affect your statutory rights'? That's not the company being kind, that's reminding you that the law still applies - Statute Law (laws set by Statute of Parliament, as opposed to Common Law, which is laws set by precedent in court).
No Single Player offline Mode then?
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I fully expect to get my money back, but I also that if enough people are asking for it back, then they may drag their heel regardless of their legal obligations. If I do have to seek further remedy in 30 days, then I've already lost. It's really not that much money (because all I have is a simple pre-order). If I have to chase them for it then it's a colossal pain for very little gain. I'd just as rather it happen sooner than later.
You'll find it isn't 'all these people' .. its like 1 or 2
At this point my biggest concern is for people who backed it big, haven't followed the news that closely, and are waiting for their boxed copy to arrive in the post with a huge raft of goodies alongside. FD have done such a terrible job of conveying the news that I think they want people to not see it, and feel they they're all-in committed before they learn the real situation. Of course if there really are a lot of ticked off day one customers, then that really bad news for future development of the game.
If it were your company and you sold a product and they used it for a considerable time then they decided they didn't want it would you be happy with them asking for their money back.
It's like they bought a car from your showroom , drove it around for 6 months and then brought it back and demanded a refund, I know where I'd tell them to go lol.
Even ignoring its legal implications, it dosn't look very generic to me ... pretty sure its about a game called Elite: Dangerous
Just because a company says "NO REFUNDS" doesn't make it legally true. This has been proved over and over and over again. With many of these companies being caught out and fined in the various countries where the laws contravene these broad sweeping statements by the companies.
If it were so cut and dry as that, Frontier Developments would have already made this point very clear. Instead they have advised they are treating refund requests on a case by case basis because THEY HAVE TO. Each country's laws are different for the consumer and certain Consumer Laws in certain countries can NOT be overridden by what a company decides to impose.
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Don't disagree with the man holding the ban stick.
Really, what on earth are you on about.
Yes but if I sold you a car which didn't have second gear installed and I told you it would be coming later on when the final version was released, would you still be happy when you found out I decided "Nah you don't need second gear because you've still got third gear which is more dynamic and not as limiting as second gear" ????! Tell me you'd buy that!
Skin mods invite flat white "grayboxed" ships which are ugly as sin, but which "competetive" players would end up using for an advantage in low-light dogfighting situations.
I'm very glad mods are effectively not coming.
I don't really want to get into duelling analogies, but it's more like someone sold you a car but gave you a motorcycle to use (for a small additional fee) while the car gets built, and then saying you're not entitled to a full refund when they can't deliver on the car because you've been using the motorcycle in the meantime. The motorcycle (read: Alpha/Beta) was always a fringe benefit, not the main event. Early Alpha/Beta packages also came with perks like future DLC, which you clearly aren't getting if you ask for a refund on the game.
As much as I'm not interested in your constant baiting of various users and misinformation, but I guess neither of us will get what they want
Addendum : Forums, prepare ye for the storm of all storms. For we are about to be slashdotted : http://games.slashdot.org/story/14/11/18/0353240/elite-dangerous-dumps-offline-single-player
If you want to know what slashdotting feels like, it's brought down large scale commercial sites to their knees before, let's just hope they don't all decide to turn up at once >.<
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Yes but you were told before hand that the car might not have a second gear (everything and anything were subject to change in the game)
What amuses me the most is that this "no refunds, you deserve nothing" is so often phrased as though it's some kind of worldly, tough-it-up-kids thing where everyone complaining about their rights is just a whiner who will get a quick lesson in how the real world works.
That's not how it works.
The ACCC will dog your business for years if you mess up enough to get on their radar. Their compliance involves verifying individual actions by employees of a company for years. They are not a joke. They enforce some very plain english kinds of laws with very little wiggle room in them.
I've seen more than one or two, then again I have read pretty much this whole thread, and some more threads regarding it... threadnought is far to monumepic for me to go through and find quotes however
I was told a month before it was released. An HONEST salesman would have told me (and the thousands of others) that there may be no second gear and would I still like to purchase the car...
That might be how it's worded, but in most cases these conflicts are people who are aggrieved at people having different opinions on things. Note how none of the people upset with the game are telling people who are fine with this that they too should be demanding a refund. The patronising only seems to go one way.
It's not a commercial product yet. of course your mileage may differ, I don't think they are a charity either, of course you cannot ask for donations to a charity back.
You can't seriously say this has been anything like a proper gaming experience, we have been testing a shell. I have enjoyed very little but done it anyway because I thought it might help, probably a lot of people feel the same. You evidently feel like you have had your moneys worth already... I do not.
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