Not with the wireframe, with E: D graphics.
No Single Player offline Mode then?
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Which is 'normal' MMO policy. However those are the terms and conditions for the general MMO player in Elite, so do not necessarily have to apply to those that were here for SP only? You do not have to change the rules for everyone here (so keep those terms for the MP gamers that are playing the game). This is where FD could do something for those players that will now not be playing ED, but gave money to do so. They could ensure those players are less unhappy, and enusre new players get to come into their game (as the more the merrier right).
Something to think on, there are solutions here to just leaving the SP gamers out to dry (and all the bad blood that creates).
Won't happen, not now, they need everyone's account to be consistent and validated for online transactions. If they allowed account transfers they'd open up a can of worms that even EVE hasn't gone near. Alas, ED is now in effect an MMO by any other name, and you can safely expect the T's and C's to become adjusted to better fit in line with the MMO requirements, they've already included elements such as "Do not use bots or hacks or we will ban you", and that kind of thing. So singleplayer is no longer singleplayer in the true sense, you can't do what you like, it's not your galaxy anymore, etc. Eugh.
No, we want what was promised. An offline version of the game, in addition to the online one. Or money back, if that's what has to happen.
The technical details of implementation & obfuscation are not the user's problem. There are always ways around it - it's software. It's a matter of will & intent.
You can still play it in solo mode; you realise that, don't you? You never have to meet me or anyone else in the game.
The "stink". Classy.
Anyway, welcome to our world. Your gaming experience "may well be affected in the future", our gaming experience was ruined before it even began. Should your experience be ruined though, don't blame us: we are only asking FD to either give us the game they said they would make, or our money back. We are not asking them to make any changes, now or in the future, to the online version of the game.
Not meet, but the sandbox is shared with others, so it's scarcely a replacement for your own personal galaxy.
Wow. Yeah. Cool. Minorities should never get what they want. Sound reasoning. I love you, brother man. Quit your whining. Universities are only for us. Police response? yup. Faster for me. Stop whining. etc. etc.
God, every time I quit back to lurking, some weird reasoning crops up and makes this thread back into an ugly, ugly place. Will you all take the time to read the whole thing before commenting? Can we agree to this? Can this be a thing? Seriously. I HAVE READ THE WHOLE THREAD SO I AM ALLOWED TO COMMENT kind of deal.
Love this. love this so much. It's just perfect.
Actually, no. Everyone, no matter who they are, should be able to share a common pot of what is out there. The idea that "I'm a minority, I deserve special rights" is as abhorrent as "I'm powerful, so I should get what I want, no matter the cost to everyone else." That means you win some, you lose some, but as a whole, everyone gains. This whole "I'm going to burn the world (okay - this tiny insignificant part of the world) down because it's not going my way" attitude is not what Gaming and community should be about.
Please stop, we don't want that, we just want the game we asked for, nothing more, nothing less. If we can't have that, kindly ask FDEV to change their policy on refunds and allow us to be on our merry way, then we can be out of your hair, sound good?
Just because they can stand behind the legalities doesn't mean they should ignore the morality of the situation.
I paid money and was looking forward to the offline version. They said it was coming. I paid money because they said it was coming. They change their mind and I am stuck with something that is not completely what I wanted.
I will not dump the game. I will not hold my breath until I turn blue. I will not go off on some verbal bashing.
I will play the game. I will frequent the forum. And I will MOST DEFINITELY remember how this was handled by Frontier.
And whoever asks me about the game will get the simple answer: Its a GREAT online game that allows you to do (insert all the things that Frontier delivered on here.) with other players.
And IF they ask about the future of the game, or they ask: "Hey I read about this feature or that ability coming in the future. How do you think that will be?"
The next simple answer from me is: "How much time do you have?"
In fact, in my circle of friends, the first question about any new game is 'Does it have off-line?'. All my friends are people with families and have careers that keep them on the go. There's just little time for them to sit down and make sure that they too can have a slice of the pie amongst the onslaught of people who can invest many more hours than they can. The personal situation is limiting the choice. Gaming is a lifestyle, of that I'm convinced. But it shouldn't become the overriding factor of your day. Allways online games where the players dictate the landscape require a lot of time-investment many people just don't have anymore.
I can't recommend Elite to my friends anymore; it's always online.
You bought in to Elite Dangerous. That's coming. Would you be happy with a refund of a percentage of the features you did not get?
Nope, I bought into DRM free Elite Dangerous, specifically only after they made that clear.
What is it exactly that you would want. A game where anybody is free to pirate a copy, and where there is no effective data security, so everybody is free to mod and hack to their hearts content? Also no real way to give timeouts and bans, as griefers could just make another account, and continue to use the same hacks.
No thanks. Such things make games unplayable and unpleasant very quickly. I've been a dev in Allegiance, and controlling client-side mods and cracking was an absolute nightmare.
Actually I would suspect that the vast majority of us in here unhappy about this will be unable to obtain a refund because, having paid more for being in the beta, we therefore decided to actually download it and give it a go. Yeah, I know, how silly, right? Who does that?
Note to self: Next time you pay more to play a game's beta, pay the money, but don't actually play it. It's nonsensical, I know, but you never know when a company's going to frontier you.
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To remove a significant feature from a game shortly before its release that was promised solely to deceive or otherwise extort.
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Same.
The sad thing is that there are (at last count) seven people who I've persuaded to sign up for Elite, and in every single case, their first question was "Can I play offline?".Guess how I feel about it now...
Piracy? No. But being able to mod an offline copy so I could do things like adjust the UI colours from that horrid orange glow to something like green or blue or hot neon pink? SOLD!
So you support negating all the special rights people with disability have earned through the years like parking etc. Thank you for clearing this up.
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