Not reasonable: Ships will be destroyed when landing on wrong platform

[Kaltern]

The game IS realistic. In the Elite Universe.

Virtually no game can every be compared to real life, even if it trying to claim to be 'ultra-realistic'.

Elite is lacking a lot of 'things' that those who like their simulators to be 'accurate' - but there is still a lot to do - you can even run a a pre-check on every take off if you wish.

 

[CmdMarty]

I pretty sure if the game was realistic auto dock would be used for most stations automatically.

 

[Lightspeed]

You may have noticed that planetary based ports actually lure you into the trap of landing at the wrong pad by lighting up adjacent pads. As you approach the port, it is usually the first pad that lights up (assuming nothing else is lit for an incoming ship already) that is your assigned pad, but others soon light up nearby.

I have suspected for a long time that the controllers make a good profit out of salvage from the wreckage of ships they blow up, so it's in their best interests to lure unwary commanders to make landing errors such as the OP's.

 

[Siobhan]

For the record, I don't run the salvage company next door to Farseer Inc. Just thought you should know that.

 

[evanevery]

Hi there,
yesterday I went to Farseer Inc. in the Deciat system.
I am invited since some weeks and visitied the station several times. I have ranked up to grade 4 on Felicity.

So I approched the ground base, requested landing and got permission to pad number 4 ( I think).

During touch down I used vertical thrusters to land and unfortunately I hit the platform in front of the one I was assigned to.
I immediately got the warning that I am on the wrong pad and i shall start. I wanted, but somehow I was not able neither with vertical thrust nor with for and back thrust. After 15 seconds my Python was hit by the first rocket and another 15 seconds later the second rocket gave my the rest. My ship exploded resulting in the need to rebuy it for about 8 Million Credits plus paying penalty...
Probably my landing gear was locked somewhere. But in this 30 seconds I had to react I did not retract the gear unfortunately.

Honestly, this is not realistic. Farseer Inc knows me, I am a good customer. If by mistake a well known Commander which has already has a landing permission lands on a wrong pad, the system shall not try to destroy it.

IMHO giving a penalty of some Credits in this case is a reasonable reaction. Destroying it immediately is not.

Regards
CliffAllister

Don't land on wrong platform. Problem solved.

 

[Pville_Piper]

Hi commanders,

thank you very much for your helful answers.
For clarification here are some additinal hints:

- I am quit new in the game - only 260 hours, still learning. Hope this is not a crime...

- I had a landing permission, just for the pad beside

- I approached from the upper front, using also vertical thrusters to descend - probably a bit too much, so I "crashed" into the pad before the one that I have been assigned. I saw both pads when approaching. Probably the landing year got stucked somewhere...

- I have a Docking Computer, but as the space is also restricted in a python, I do not use it any longer as in the meanwhile I am able land successfully - I thought :x

- For me ED is a combat oriented trading space Simulation that shall be reallistical as far as possible.
Destroying a known ship which has a landing permission for me is not realistic.
Of Course the issue with blocking pads in a multiplayer game Sound reasonable for me.
But I played in Single Player mode when this happened.

- Maybe I should have started this thread in another Sub in this Forum, sorry, but despite another bug Report this was my first post - again still learning.

However thank you very much for your hints and tips - especially the one that I can log off in time and can come back without loosing my ship.

Regards
Cliff

Not a problem... But just understand that if they didn't get rid of pad loiters and people blocking the mail slot you'd most likely have commanders blocking them just for fun.

For the record, I don't run the salvage company next door to Farseer Inc. Just thought you should know that.

Good information... Felicity really has an issue with those folks...

 

[Gully Foyle]

LOL! I just love the hard-liners here. "That's the game! Get used to it!"

Seriously, though, even in accepting the Death by Loitering aspect of the game. 30 seconds? Really? Why not a minute? or two? Give the player a chance to work it out. Or is the demand for docking bays so high we need a zero-tolerance policy for loitering?

Sometimes, Elite's internal logic is astounding.

15 seconds it is then.

 

[moorison]

You may have noticed that planetary based ports actually lure you into the trap of landing at the wrong pad by lighting up adjacent pads. As you approach the port, it is usually the first pad that lights up (assuming nothing else is lit for an incoming ship already) that is your assigned pad, but others soon light up nearby.

I have suspected for a long time that the controllers make a good profit out of salvage from the wreckage of ships they blow up, so it's in their best interests to lure unwary commanders to make landing errors such as the OP's.

Starport-traps on Venus would be too obvious?

 

[Heater]

Not sure why... but reading the OP.... This song popped in to my mind.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AKbUm8GrbM

 

[dognosh]

If your ship gets stuck log out , while you have time.

^^^ This !!!
Don't blame FD, blame the exploiters in the early game years ago blocking pads on purpose (to stop others landing) , iirc we only got fined in those days ?

 

[EDanaII]

I didn't talk about parking at the wrong place but about blocking the runway while a 500 passenger boeing is crashing into them. And the analogy is almost definetely wrong since real airports lack the firepower and cynism of a cut throat galaxy but I believe I already pointed that out myself.

They still wouldn't blow them up. Not the military, not no one, not even the most despicable despot. Even forgetting the lives taken, the damage would render the port inoperable and simply defeat the reason why they need to unblock the path to begin with.

 

[babelfisch]

They still wouldn't blow them up. Not the military, not no one, not even the most despicable despot. Even forgetting the lives taken, the damage would render the port inoperable and simply defeat the reason why they need to unblock the path to begin with.

You missed the cynism.

 

[EDanaII]

Just to clarify your comment. If you piloted an aircraft into any restricted airspace, whether it be an airport, a military zone or even over a large city and refused to turn around or obey ATC warnings you have an excellent chance of receiving a nice present from Raytheon in the form of an AIM-9X missile or whatever is close to hand. If there was no communication from you as the pilot of the boogie aircraft and someone screwed up and allowed you to land, you would spent a while behind bars. The only exception is if your aircraft suffered an inflight emergency and unless your radio(s) failed (and that could be proven) you would never be allowed to pilot an aircraft again.

Yep real world is nearly as bad as the ED universe now.

Except in the context we are discussing, they were granted access. Their mistake is not to have entered restricted space. Their mistake was to have confused landing pads and for that you must die! Cutthroat, indeed.

You missed the cynism.

My bad, then.

 

[Irisa Nyira]

My latest mishap was joyriding boosting my cutter from inside through the mailslot of an orbis only to ram an asp or something that suddenly appeared at the entrance, which subsequently exploded. Then the station fired its gigawatt lasers at me. I'd attempted to boost away to jump, but it was too late so my cutter got wrecked and I faced a massive rebuy.

I bought a brand new aspX, and flew it to 109 Piscium for some outfitting. I forgot to ask for docking permission, panicked a bit when the warning sirens went off as I entered the starport, turned around and crashed into a shieldless sidey (I think) on my way back out. I'd owned the ship for perhaps ten minutes before it got turned to junk, plus I had a nice murder charge so had to find somewhere else to outfit the replacement.

But I think my "favourite" was misjudging the approach to a surface base in my cutter (the g was a bit higher than I had realised), and hitting the ground just outside the perimeter - right on top of a patrolling skimmer. Four seconds later I'm looking at the rebuy screen, and my dangerous fighter pilot is dead.

It happens. Be prepared for it.

 

[EDanaII]

It happens. Be prepared for it.

My one and only "landing miscommunication" was when Obsidian Orbital was burning. I had actually requested and cancelled docking a number of times. I was "filming" the landing and needed it to be one particular dock. When I finally got the dock I wanted, I flew in and not noticing that not only the dock I wanted was lit, so were all the others I had requested previously. I then activated the external camera and attempted to land only to be puzzled why the process didn't complete and the ship didn't lower into the bay. After several tries, I popped back into the cockpit only to see 3...2...1... Oh sh...BOOM! Wrong dock and no time to log and save my bacon. Elite? You are so heartless!

 

[ilo]

Repped for a very positive response [up]

I did the same, this is so much needed too.

 

[Werewolf13]

OP:

1) it's elite DANGEROUS! Pay attention to what you are doing or pay the price.
2) Stupid hurts. It's supposed to.

Hardcore, blunt and to the point but if you internalize points 1 and 2 what happened won't happen again (well - unless you get complacent).

FWIW 1 and 2 are also good advice for real life.

Oh and I did the same thing, once - about 3 years ago - in ED. ONCE...

 

[Siobhan]

OP:

1) it's elite DANGEROUS! Pay attention to what you are doing or pay the price.
2) Stupid hurts. It's supposed to.

Hardcore, blunt and to the point but if you internalize points 1 and 2 what happened won't happen again (well - unless you get complacent).

FWIW 1 and 2 are also good advice for real life.

Oh and I did the same thing, once - about 3 years ago - in ED. ONCE...

Yeah yeah, it's Elite Dangerous so it should be dangerous...
And Fortnite has rounds that last 2 weeks also.

 

[Werewolf13]

Yeah yeah, it's Elite Dangerous so it should be dangerous...
And Fortnite has rounds that last 2 weeks also.

What's yur point?

 

[IndigoWyrd]

If you really don't like requesting docking, just land on the planet and deploy an SRV. Dismiss your ship and request boarding.
Your ship will land for you and all you need to do is drive into a garage and board.