Guide / Tutorial Nutter’s explorers guide to the Galaxy

Jeroll3d · Dec 22, 2014

Hi all

Yes, I will do as suggested by the video, I like to explore and the point where I am trying to get some Nebula, Cafifornia, perhaps). Basic Discovery scanner is a good scanner? Still, it is possible to make some 'money' with the operation?

Cheers, great topic guys

Nutter · Dec 22, 2014

Iskra Femme said:
Hi all

Yes, I will do as suggested by the video, I like to explore and the point where I am trying to get some Nebula, Cafifornia, perhaps). Basic Discovery scanner is a good scanner? Still, it is possible to make some 'money' with the operation?

Cheers, great topic guys

I flew to Barnards loop in a hauler and a baisic scanner, just sight seeing really... still came back with 400k of data! - Safe trip commander!

Jackie Silver · Dec 22, 2014

Nutter said:
How did you pull out this data?

Slowly. I'm scanning a bunch of systems with the ADS, returning, then scanning one object per system on the next trip, and so on.

I'm not sure whether to hope that FD make changes to the exploration data or not - I hope they make it more complex, but on the other hand it's nice knowing what the values are at the moment.

carazvan · Dec 22, 2014

Jackie Silver said:
Object, subtype, mass, value. The value is the return from a second, detailed scan. I fly into the system once, use the Advanced Discovery Scanner, then return home and sell the data.
Then I go back and scan only one object in the system (whatever I'm most interested in), return home and see what extra value it gives me.
In practice I fly a route around a couple of dozen systems so it's quicker and more interesting.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/73669549/er v4.xlsx

Since I have been doing large runs out to far away dont think I can apply this method but I can use some of the full-system data I have to verify and hopefully extend your data.
Have some systems with only O class stars or O class stars + black holes etc. so should make for a good breakdown of the data.

I'll add all the data in the same format sometime late tomorrow or the day after (need to get back; about 3000Ly away from civilization now).

Jackie Silver · Dec 22, 2014

carazvan said:
Since I have been doing large runs out to far away dont think I can apply this method but I can use some of the full-system data I have to verify and hopefully extend your data.
Have some systems with only O class stars or O class stars + black holes etc. so should make for a good breakdown of the data.

I'll add all the data in the same format sometime late tomorrow or the day after (need to get back; about 3000Ly away from civilization now).

Cool. For stars I get 200 + a small number of credits for the initial scan. Sometimes it seems that if you do a detailed scan of a star immediately you get only the full value (1200 and something), not the full value plus the base 200 and some credits. It's been flaky on the systems where I've tried it out. We should be able to guess what's happening with the Os when you get back, fly safe!

Unfit · Dec 22, 2014

Subbed and repped. Was working on something simmilar, but I'll drop it as yours is better

What I'm curious about, and most other explorer are ofc the payouts. My best system payout yet didn't have single planet in it, just stars, neutron stars and a black hole, so you should try to get the payout for each individual star type as well, as they are paying good bucks.

EDIT:
And I am real currious about a % chance to find planets connected to stars.

A - Star
* Earth like x%
* Waterworld %
* etc
B - Star
* Earth like x%
*etc etc

Nutter · Dec 22, 2014

Hi Commanders!

Mission 1 Transmission has been received! Go check out the first post for details!

Cheers

Nutter

murraypaul · Dec 22, 2014

Jackie Silver said:
Object, subtype, mass, value. The value is the return from a second, detailed scan. I fly into the system once, use the Advanced Discovery Scanner, then return home and sell the data.
Then I go back and scan only one object in the system (whatever I'm most interested in), return home and see what extra value it gives me.

I'm too far out (and don't have the patience) to be that scientific, but when I return from this trip I think I can get pretty good values with a simultaneous equations approach, without needing multiple visits.
I'm going to ignore mass, and just look at type, but I think that will give reasonable answers.

murraypaul · Dec 22, 2014

Jackie Silver said:
Cool. For stars I get 200 + a small number of credits for the initial scan. Sometimes it seems that if you do a detailed scan of a star immediately you get only the full value (1200 and something), not the full value plus the base 200 and some credits. It's been flaky on the systems where I've tried it out. We should be able to guess what's happening with the Os when you get back, fly safe!

I don't think that is correct. 1200 is the correct value for discovery + basic + detailed.
It shouldn't matter whether you sell discovery first or not.
It used to matter, but that bug was fixed.

Jackie Silver · Dec 22, 2014

Unfit said:
And I am real currious about a % chance to find planets connected to stars.

A - Star
* Earth like x%
* Waterworld %
* etc
B - Star
* Earth like x%
*etc etc

Yes, me too. There are some broad trends but there's a lot of variation!

A couple of things I've noticed: with a massive star you can often find metal-rich worlds in the closest orbit. Sometimes you can also find a very (implausibly so, unless you take it to be an ice giant like Uranus and Neptune) high mass ice world floating around furthest from the star. I remember finding an icy planet that was over 150 Earth masses at one big star.

Another thing is that the Sudarsky gas giant classification goes backwards in order of temperature, so if you find a Class I gas giant closest to the sun you know you'll probably not find anything other than Class I giants further out, whereas if you find a Class III giant closest you may find IIs and Is further out.

Mysturji · Dec 22, 2014

Nutter said:
...
MODULES
...
• A Class Fuel Scoop
...

Size is more important than rating. You need a BIGGER fuel scoop, not just a fancier one. (I found this out too late heading out into the back of beyond)
Filling my Cobra's tank with an A2 takes about 5 minutes.
I'd LOVE a D4

Nutter · Dec 22, 2014

Mysturji said:
Size is more important than rating. You need a BIGGER fuel scoop, not just a fancier one. (I found this out too late heading out into the back of beyond)
Filling my Cobra's tank with an A2 takes about 5 minutes.
I'd LOVE a D4

Bigger is better yes, but what ever you fit try to make it a A class, For an example, a D3 max scoop is 100, an A3 is 176, almost twice as quick!

Fyrd Judge · Dec 22, 2014

+1 for the thread. Those values of the system objects scans were what i have been curious about for the last few weeks.

neXib · Dec 22, 2014

You get nothing for asteroids? Learn something everyday

Mysturji · Dec 22, 2014

Nutter said:
Bigger is better yes, but what ever you fit try to make it a A class, For an example, a D3 max scoop is 100, an A3 is 176, almost twice as quick!

An A2 max scoop is 54, and at that rate, heat builds up FAST!
Max practical scoop with an A2 is ~48-49
Did I mention that's at 30 km/sec?
any faster than that and you WILL heat up. Keep the scooping below 50, and you won't heat up, staying around 100% give or take 10. No need to swoop in and out of the corona.
Even at 30 km/sec, scooping at 54 will cause your heat to rise uncomfortably fast

Edit: Just got home and checked.
It's a C2 scoop. My bad.

Matt · Dec 22, 2014

I just put together some data for the different scooping speeds of different scoops - an A rating might not be the best if you can fit a higher class one with a lower rating.

Full details here: http://lavewiki.com/fuel-scoop#fuel-scoop-ratings

Otherwise nice guide - payout numbers for different planet types is very interesting.

Gibbonici · Dec 22, 2014

Chaodiurn said:
On an added note, you can't crash into celestial bodies, so don't be afraid to get too close. You even can emergency-stop every supercuise by heading straight for a star or planet. Note that this is likely to cause you heat damage, the only thing to be afraid of when dealing with celestial bodies. An invisible wall will keep you from crashing, and a warning message will tell you that you can't get any closer.

Emergency stopping, or crash-dropping from supercruise can cause damage to your FSD and your hull. Long-range explorers will want to avoid this wherever possible; attrition is your enemy.

TraviTheRabbi · Dec 22, 2014

Gibbonici said:
Emergency stopping, or crash-dropping from supercruise can cause damage to your FSD

Not to mention if you accidentally leave flight assist off... flight assist is what auto-stops you from hitting celestial bodies, right?

Andovar · Dec 22, 2014

Great post, a lot of good info here. Thanks!

Does anyone know what 'level 2' and 'level 3' scans are?
When I look in my status panel, at the bottom under my exploration data, in addition to showing how many CR i've earned from exploring, it shows the number of level 2 and level 3 scans. Both of which are currently zero.
Is this something you get with the intermediate or advanced discovery scanners?

Egan · Dec 22, 2014

You really get nothing for scanning or discovering a ring? Even a pristine metallic one? If so, that is a shame. Are Earth like worlds still in the game? I had a sense that they had been replaced with water worlds in gamma.